Can Jeter be the new Hit King?
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I thought this was kind of interesting...
Derek Jeter is 37 and has about 40-50 or so more hits than Pete Rose did at the very same age by the end of the season?
Can he stay healthy and play long enough to be the new Hit King?
Derek Jeter is 37 and has about 40-50 or so more hits than Pete Rose did at the very same age by the end of the season?
Can he stay healthy and play long enough to be the new Hit King?
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<< <i>It's unlikely unless he gets to be be manager, moves himself to first base, and continues to play long past his usefulness to the team. >>
Some would say he's already done one of those three. Some others would say he's done two of them.
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<< <i>I thought this was kind of interesting...
Derek Jeter is 37 and has about 40-50 or so more hits than Pete Rose did at the very same age by the end of the season?
Can he stay healthy and play long enough to be the new Hit King? >>
No, for these reasons:
#1 -- Jeter doesn't have the versatility of Pete Rose to play multiple positions
#2 -- Jeter probably wouldn't play on a horrible team to just extend his career for a paycheck
#3 -- Jeter is right handed (hitter) and not needed off the bench so much
#4 -- Jeter's personality won't allow him to play something poorly, when he can start to succeed in other venues in life (announcer/business/etc.)
#5 -- Jeter will be rested more often and may end up batting at the end of the lineup shortly
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Pete Rose would probably still be playing today if he could.
It'll be interesting to hear the "Jeter is overrated" boneheads explain that one away...
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<< <i>career to date earnings of $220+ million, with another $40 million through 2014. He has no incentive to stay in the game. Frankly, Jeter's produce has declined at a much faster pace as compared to Rose at the same time in Rose's career >>
In fairness to Jeter, Pete Rose only had 90 more hits from age 32 to 37 than Jeter has right now. That's not an exorbitant amount of hits. Couple that with the fact that Rose and Jeter average the EXACT same amount of hits (206) per 162 games through their age 37 seasons, it's not CRAZY to think it couldn't be done, although it is unlikely.
Plus, Rose only had 76 more hits than Jeter has at the same age.
Which would put him in the top 5. Along with names like Rose, Cobb, Aaron, Musial and Speaker.
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Ichiro has a better shot of surpassing Rose if you count both is US and Japan totals. To date Ichiro has 2428 hits in 11 US seasons, 1278 in 7 Japanese seasons. That's a total of 3706. While his Japan stats are inflated due to the lower level of competition, they do play a much shorter season which probably offsets enough to make the hit totals in Japan realistic of what he would have accomplished in the US, if not understates them. Imagine what the next few years would be like if Ichiro had come up in the US instead of Japan. Rose would be in serious trouble if Ichiro wanted to catch him.
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As for Jeter. Gotta respect the guy for what he has accomplished on the field and as a person in general. Deserving of the HOF and won't need Rose's hits record to get there. Perhaps
on day the Rose record will be eclipsed, but I don't see anyone playing today or on the horizon that I'd put money at this stage.
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<< <i>career to date earnings of $220+ million, with another $40 million through 2014. He has no incentive to stay in the game. Frankly, Jeter's produce has declined at a much faster pace as compared to Rose at the same time in Rose's career >>
In fairness to Jeter, Pete Rose only had 90 more hits from age 32 to 37 than Jeter has right now. That's not an exorbitant amount of hits. Couple that with the fact that Rose and Jeter average the EXACT same amount of hits (206) per 162 games through their age 37 seasons, it's not CRAZY to think it couldn't be done, although it is unlikely.
Plus, Rose only had 76 more hits than Jeter has at the same age. >>
"only" 76 more hits???? you say????? at 44 when Rose retired, 76 hits looks like Mount Everest. chaz
<< <i>I don't see how Ichiro's Japan hits can be counted. Not taking anything away from a great player (Ichiro), but considering anything other than MLB games would be opening a can of worms.
As for Jeter. Gotta respect the guy for what he has accomplished on the field and as a person in general. Deserving of the HOF and won't need Rose's hits record to get there. Perhaps
on day the Rose record will be eclipsed, but I don't see anyone playing today or on the horizon that I'd put money at this stage. >>
No doubt the Japanese stats should not be considered when crowning a new hit king. Still, I think it would be quite an accomplishment should he choose to stay in MLB long enough to get there. He'd have 3000+ MLB hits. Considering his starting age, that is an amazing accomplishment. But, I agree, Rose stays in the books regardless of whether Ichiro's combined stats put him over the top.
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