<< <i>I am for anything that shows the third side. The ngc prongs that are white are stupid, it covers up a great deal of the coin's obv & rev practically negating the positive attribute of showing the coin's third side. >>
Does that mean there will be scratches on the edges of the coin now? Speaking of which, does PCGS grade based on the main front and back or edges included?
I like them but believe it should be an option for the customer. The feature that distinguishes PCGS vs. NGC is the fact that in close-up photos you can clearly see the coin's edge through the prongs.
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<< <i>I am for anything that shows the third side. The ngc prongs that are white are stupid, it covers up a great deal of the coin's obv & rev practically negating the positive attribute of showing the coin's third side. >>
I don't think the ngc prongs are stupid, but I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a clear version of their own.
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Why sacrifice a clear and unobstructed view of the front of back ... for a partial view of about 50% of the side of the rim?
It doesnt make any sense. If you love coin photography and coin photographs ... then you will HATE these new and "improved" holders ... as no longer can you get a clean shot (photo) of the obverse and reverse. These new holders are both U-G-L-Y and S-T-U-P-I-D.
And with the close up shots of the prongs showing them covered with sharp shards of plastic, it's clear to me there will be a new designation for Genuine coins: PNHD = Post New Holder Damage Who would pay money to have their $100,000+ super rarities placed into that plastic death trap with sharp teeth? SSCCCRRAATTCCHHH.
People will soon be paying premiums for OBH (Old Blue Holder) coins -- a much superior design. This is another corporate mistake along the lines of "New Coke".
I am wondering if PCGS will get tougher on rim bumps with the new holders. The old holders pretty much hide what they would allow in the past....not so now.
<< <i>Move over doilies, the old "non-pronged holders" just became an overnight classic and will be hard sought after by collectors in a few years! >>
Doilies aren't the non-pronged holders >>
Yes I know, I was joking. Now that many people don't like the new pronged holders, I was joking that the "current blue label" holders would go up in demand like the doilies have. Obviously not true since they are so prevalent, but I get a kick out of the way people collect of holders. Not looking down on it, just more interesting things to collect, since we're all addicts.
I completely disagree with this. There has been no such marketing
Yet...?
and I have not heard anyone, even among the PCGS diehards, who is considering having coins regraded or reholdered for the prong holders.
Give it time imo. I can absolutely guarantee that there is a large group of collectors that have to have the latest greatest thing. It is a common marketing strategy of many if not most businesses to exploit that aspect of human nature, so I should think TPGs would be no different.
To suggest that this is a "revenue stream" is cynical and unfair, IMO.
So the new holders are free for all those who just got done spending money doing a bunch of "secure plus" resubs then?
and I have not heard anyone, even among the PCGS diehards, who is considering having coins regraded or reholdered for the prong holders.
Give it time imo. I can absolutely guarantee that there is a large group of collectors that have to have the latest greatest thing. It is a common marketing strategy of many if not most businesses to exploit that aspect of human nature, so I should think TPGs would be no different.
Again, I disagree. It is a minor tweak to the established product, and most everyone views it as such.
The experience ATS back me up. People are not rushing to have their NGC-graded coins regraded and reholdered for the new prong holder which is more substantially different from the previous style than the PCGS example.
People are not rushing to have their NGC-graded coins regraded and reholdered for the new prong holder which is more substantially different from the previous style than the PCGS example.
I've never looked into that but I've no reason to doubt you. Given the (imo) somewhat looser standards ATS ...if I had a high end piece already holdered at my ideal grade I wouldn't risk a possible downgrade just for a new holder. Perhaps others share that view over there. Or perhaps they're finally just getting tired of chucking more fees into a given coin every time a new holder or service is rolled out. I should think that at some point at least a few people hopefully would think 'enough is enough' and be happy with what they have. After all, it's supposed to be about the coin itself and not the holder, right?
The ridges around the slab (both sides) are suppose to prevent the plastic viewing areas over the coin from scratches/friction whenever the slab is placed on a flat surface/tabletop. NGC and ANACS slabs have this protective design to their slabs, PCGS does not.
Ok, you can all go back to your exciting discussion about prongs?
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
For one substance to scratch another it must be harder, re: the Mhos scale of hardness. Is the plastic of the holder harder than the coin metal from 2.5 - 3 for gold, silver, aluminum, zinc, 3 for copper, 4 for iron and nickel, 4 - 4.5 platinum and steel, 5 for palladium, 6 for titanium and niobium? Is it harder than any patina or surface toning that could be damaged by abrasion? That's the question as I see it. So before there is a scratch panic from the mold extrusion flash shown in the photos, let's take a breath and get the facts first.
Besides, wouldn't you think that our host has put some thought into the design and material of the holder to insure that scratching would not occur? Do you really think they would open themselves up to lawsuits for causing scratches and abrasion damage to valuable coins?
I'm asked CS for the exact material the holders are made of and was told it is sterile acrylic nitrate. I'm having trouble finding the specs for this plastic. We all know the surface of the holders can be scratched very easily which intimates a low mohs hardness.
In the past few months I have purchased a LOT of S coins. I haven't seen one close to perfect coin until recently and it has problems still. I am still going to search buy and resell if it's not a good one (I am only at $100.00 loss so far, which is not bad considering how many I went through and the first ones I made money on) but I'm hoping I'll get one before I have to turn to NGC 70 S coin =
Coin I received today S Coin Obverse and Reverse is PERFECT under 40x magnifying. HOWEVER: I look at edges and there are scratch marks where the plastic is holding the coin in. It seems that this is a regular occurrence. It might have been that it was perfect until the machine put it in the slab =
With the new pronged holders, the only way to get a clean photo of a coin is to have the slab cracked and buy a PCGS TrueView photo. There is no way a private photographer can produce a "clean" (clear and unobstructed) coin image with the new pronged holder with a through-the-slab photograph -- the clear prongs will always be visible in any image that is produced (since too much of the coin is obscured by the prongs to edit out). I am not sure why the prongs needed to be so wide, I am guessing nearly 50% of the rim is obscured by the prongs. I thought the whole point of these was to make the rim visible. So not only is only half (not all) of the rim visible with the new prongs, the new prongs also obscure the face the coin.
Nah. I really don't see a conspiracy theory, WL. I think it was simply evolution.
As much as I hate the prongs for esthetic (photographic) reasons I do enjoy seeing a little of the 3rd side. I can live with PCGS's clear gaskets. I really dislike NGC's opaque ones. Lance.
<< <i>I kind of wonder if the pronged holders was an attempt by PCGS to put private coin photographers out of business and force more people to get TrueViews. With the new pronged holders, the only way to get a clean photo of a coin is to have the slab cracked and buy a PCGS TrueView photo. There is no way a private photographer can produce a "clean" (clear and unobstructed) coin image with the new pronged holder with a through-the-slab photograph -- the clear prongs will always be visible in any image that is produced (since too much of the coin is obscured by the prongs to edit out). I am not sure why the prongs needed to be so wide, I am guessing nearly 50% of the rim is obscured by the prongs (I thought the whole point of these was to make the rim visible). >>
The old style holders covered a small portion of the rim all the way around your coin. The new holders only cover that small portion of the rim in a couple of places. If you don't like having the tabs in your photos, then just crop a smaller circle to eliminate them (and the portion of the rims that are unobstructed) and you'll have about as much coin showing in your image as the older holders.
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<< <i>I am for anything that shows the third side. The ngc prongs that are white are stupid, it covers up a great deal of the coin's obv & rev practically negating the positive attribute of showing the coin's third side. >>
lol
my thoughts exactly
<< <i>Move over doilies, the old "non-pronged holders" just became an overnight classic and will be hard sought after by collectors in a few years! >>
Doilies aren't the non-pronged holders
Does that mean there will be scratches on the edges of the coin now? Speaking of which, does PCGS grade based on the main front and back or edges included?
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<< <i>should be optional,..........do not like >>
<< <i>I am for anything that shows the third side. The ngc prongs that are white are stupid, it covers up a great deal of the coin's obv & rev practically negating the positive attribute of showing the coin's third side. >>
I don't think the ngc prongs are stupid, but I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a clear version of their own.
It doesnt make any sense.
If you love coin photography and coin photographs ... then you will HATE these new and "improved" holders ... as no longer can you get a clean shot (photo) of the obverse and reverse.
These new holders are both U-G-L-Y and S-T-U-P-I-D.
And with the close up shots of the prongs showing them covered with sharp shards of plastic, it's clear to me there will be a new designation for Genuine coins:
PNHD = Post New Holder Damage
Who would pay money to have their $100,000+ super rarities placed into that plastic death trap with sharp teeth? SSCCCRRAATTCCHHH.
People will soon be paying premiums for OBH (Old Blue Holder) coins -- a much superior design.
This is another corporate mistake along the lines of "New Coke".
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I agree with those who said they were ugly and stupid!!!!
It should be an option!!!
On a small cent more than 50% of the rim is covered with this new PCGS holder. NGC's covers about 25%.
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<< <i>Move over doilies, the old "non-pronged holders" just became an overnight classic and will be hard sought after by collectors in a few years! >>
Doilies aren't the non-pronged holders >>
Yes I know, I was joking. Now that many people don't like the new pronged holders, I was joking that the "current blue label" holders would go up in demand like the doilies have. Obviously not true since they are so prevalent, but I get a kick out of the way people collect of holders. Not looking down on it, just more interesting things to collect, since we're all addicts.
Yet...?
and I have not heard anyone, even among the PCGS diehards, who is considering having coins regraded or reholdered for the prong holders.
Give it time imo. I can absolutely guarantee that there is a large group of collectors that have to have the latest greatest thing. It is a common marketing strategy of many if not most businesses to exploit that aspect of human nature, so I should think TPGs would be no different.
To suggest that this is a "revenue stream" is cynical and unfair, IMO.
So the new holders are free for all those who just got done spending money doing a bunch of "secure plus" resubs then?
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Give it time imo. I can absolutely guarantee that there is a large group of collectors that have to have the latest greatest thing. It is a common marketing strategy of many if not most businesses to exploit that aspect of human nature, so I should think TPGs would be no different.
Again, I disagree. It is a minor tweak to the established product, and most everyone views it as such.
The experience ATS back me up. People are not rushing to have their NGC-graded coins regraded and reholdered for the new prong holder which is more substantially different from the previous style than the PCGS example.
I've never looked into that but I've no reason to doubt you. Given the (imo) somewhat looser standards ATS ...if I had a high end piece already holdered at my ideal grade I wouldn't risk a possible downgrade just for a new holder. Perhaps others share that view over there. Or perhaps they're finally just getting tired of chucking more fees into a given coin every time a new holder or service is rolled out. I should think that at some point at least a few people hopefully would think 'enough is enough' and be happy with what they have. After all, it's supposed to be about the coin itself and not the holder, right?
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Ok, you can all go back to your exciting discussion about prongs?
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
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Besides, wouldn't you think that our host has put some thought into the design and material of the holder to insure that scratching would not occur? Do you really think they would open themselves up to lawsuits for causing scratches and abrasion damage to valuable coins?
I'm asked CS for the exact material the holders are made of and was told it is sterile acrylic nitrate. I'm having trouble finding the specs for this plastic. We all know the surface of the holders can be scratched very easily which intimates a low mohs hardness.
Coin I received today
S Coin Obverse and Reverse is PERFECT under 40x magnifying. HOWEVER: I look at edges and there are scratch marks where the plastic is holding the coin in. It seems that this is a regular occurrence. It might have been that it was perfect until the machine put it in the slab =
Lance.
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As much as I hate the prongs for esthetic (photographic) reasons I do enjoy seeing a little of the 3rd side. I can live with PCGS's clear gaskets. I really dislike NGC's opaque ones.
Lance.
<< <i>I kind of wonder if the pronged holders was an attempt by PCGS to put private coin photographers out of business and force more people to get TrueViews. With the new pronged holders, the only way to get a clean photo of a coin is to have the slab cracked and buy a PCGS TrueView photo. There is no way a private photographer can produce a "clean" (clear and unobstructed) coin image with the new pronged holder with a through-the-slab photograph -- the clear prongs will always be visible in any image that is produced (since too much of the coin is obscured by the prongs to edit out). I am not sure why the prongs needed to be so wide, I am guessing nearly 50% of the rim is obscured by the prongs (I thought the whole point of these was to make the rim visible). >>
The old style holders covered a small portion of the rim all the way around your coin. The new holders only cover that small portion of the rim in a couple of places. If you don't like having the tabs in your photos, then just crop a smaller circle to eliminate them (and the portion of the rims that are unobstructed) and you'll have about as much coin showing in your image as the older holders.
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What kills me more is that the holders are scratched and banged from the factory.
Is it too much to ask to receive a holdered coin back with no marks! I can scratch/bang very well on my own; Thank you.