1947 S Jefferson...........grade opinions ?

SUMORADA

I bought this on ebay in a NNC slab, just cracked it out.....all opinions welcome!

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DIMEMAN

64 no steps.

seanq

This is a classic "liner" coin to me. I see three prominent hits on the obverse, one each on the cheek, jaw and hair, which make me think 64... but the reverse is exceptionally clean, which makes me think 65. The steps are almost full... but there's a slight miss between steps 3 and 4 under the second pillar that could (should?) keep it out of a FS holder.

Technically I would grade the coin MS64m and if you sent the coin into PCGS and the steps are really full, I'd expect a grade of 64FS. If the steps just miss, then I think PCGS will grade the coin a 65, the extra point being a consolation prize for missing the designation.


Sean Reynolds

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DIMEMAN

I guess I don't know the criteria for FS on nickels if this is close. Does the line between the first and second step not count? Because it is completely missing.

Edited to add - I guess I don't know how to grade them either. Because it's 64 at best to me......no way 66 with those hits on cheek. If that was a Mercury...it would get a 62 at PCGS.

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OldEastside

I think it should get a MS65 Full Step, but thats where
I usually get in trouble, when I start thinking

Steve

Is that a thumb print on the reverse?

mirabela

These things are subject to all kinds of flukes and variance, but 65FS wouldn't be unreasonable.

seanq

<< <i>I guess I don't know the criteria for FS on nickels if this is close. Does the line between the first and second step not count? Because it is completely missing.

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There are five incuse lines that form the steps, the first step is above the first incuse line and it is complete on this coin. The bottom incuse line is what forms the 6th step and it is visible under the first pillar and again weakly under the fourth (the pillars are numbered from left to right).

If this coin fails to get the FS designation it will be because of the spot between the third and fourth steps (the third incuse line from the top) under the second pillar. These liner coins are extraordinarily difficult to photograph, so it is entirely possible the line is fully formed when viewed in person. From just the images, I can see that one little spot preventing the coin from being graded as FS by our host.


Sean Reynolds

Lehigh96

Luster is very important in the premium gem grades for both NGC and PCGS. Unfortunately, I really can't judge the luster based on those photos. Otherwise, the coin is pretty clean and the steps appear to be full in the photos. My guess is that NGC would grade it MS66 5FS and PCGS would grade it MS65 FS due to the small marks in the focal area (cheek & jaw).

Having said that, my experience with NNC is that they are almost always overgraded by 2+ points. If this coin was a true MS66 FS, I would expect to see it in an MS68 NNC holder. For example:




For that reason alone, I am skeptical of this coin going above MS65.

WestySteve

<< <i>This is a classic "liner" coin to me. I see three prominent hits on the obverse, one each on the cheek, jaw and hair, which make me think 64... but the reverse is exceptionally clean, which makes me think 65. The steps are almost full... but there's a slight miss between steps 3 and 4 under the second pillar that could (should?) keep it out of a FS holder.

Technically I would grade the coin MS64m and if you sent the coin into PCGS and the steps are really full, I'd expect a grade of 64FS. If the steps just miss, then I think PCGS will grade the coin a 65, the extra point being a consolation prize for missing the designation.


Sean Reynolds >>



What Sean said, except I'd go one point higher. Either a 65FS or a 66 no steps.

Those two ticks on the cheek are hard to gauge from your photo though...hard to tell how bad they are because they are reflecting the light. I think I'm giving one more point than Sean because the back is just so sweet. Nice coin!

DennisH

64FS

WestySteve

Edit: Was going to say Lehigh's coin was nicer than the OP's...but I saw the tick on the back on second look.

Lehigh96

<< <i>Edit: Was going to say Lehigh's coin was nicer than the OP's...but I saw the tick on the back on second look. >>



Yep, grade limiting mark above the window and the toning while attractive mutes the luster. MS65 grade at best IMO.

coinhunters

MS65/66 Uncertain on the " FS " .

BigDowgie

I like the "liner" used by seanq! Those steps are hitting that zone of "are they there or not?" There are a couple of questionable spots that could take this one either way. Grade-wise, the only noticable marks are those three light hits on the obverse. I could see this one go MS66 or MS65FS, worst case MS65.

For those grading this one an MS64, help me understand. This is a pretty clean coin except for the 3 hits, which on a business strike coin are not that unusual or for this one not that significant. What would you change to grade this an MS66?

Edscoin

Can't always tell if the steps are there just by looking at a coin from one angle. But from the Straight on shot it looks FS.
Hard to believe NNC got a grade right, But it may be a 66. At least a 65.

seanq

BigDowgie,I'm basing it on having submitted a lot of Jefferson nickels to PCGS that came back MS64FS and MS65. If the coin has exceptional luster I could be persuaded to bump another point, but based on the faint reverse print I'm assuming the surfaces are not that lively.

Has anyone checked on Leo, he's usually jumped into the thread and posted a nicer coin from his collection by now.


Sean Reynolds

bolivarshagnasty

I put together a near complete set of full step Jeffs in the past. I grade this one MS65FS. Shag

pontiacinf

<< <i>These things are subject to all kinds of flukes and variance, but 65FS wouldn't be unreasonable. >>



perfectly stated while not getting involved in politics


On varieties and rare dates in condition like that Ive been known to send
off to SEGS and own almost as many of those as there are from our Host
in my collection.

I am an equal oppertunity collector of fine Jeffersons

shoot me

pontiacinf

<< <i>Unless there are flaws not showing in the photo, it's equal to what pcgs has graded 66fs in the past. You could never count on that though. >>



not sure what you base that on, our host is very strict when it comes down to step count. This is why I perfer
collecting our hosts coins than others, but when it boils down to tuff years when wheel chair ramps are a common
find, Id perfer to be able to disect and explain, those familiar know what I am talking about.

pontiacinf

<< <i>Luster is very important in the premium gem grades for both NGC and PCGS. Unfortunately, I really can't judge the luster based on those photos. Otherwise, the coin is pretty clean and the steps appear to be full in the photos. My guess is that NGC would grade it MS66 5FS and PCGS would grade it MS65 FS due to the small marks in the focal area (cheek & jaw).

Having said that, my experience with NNC is that they are almost always overgraded by 2+ points. If this coin was a true MS66 FS, I would expect to see it in an MS68 NNC holder. For example:




For that reason alone, I am skeptical of this coin going above MS65. >>



You have a great eye

Type2

MS-65 50/50 shot on the steps nice coin.