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How many countries issued trade "dollars"

I'm aware of US and British trade dollars. What other countries issued coins specifically for trade?

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  • Japan also issued trade dollar.
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  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Austria of course, they started the whole craze.
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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,855 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One of the most famous trade "dollars" is the Spanish "piece of 8" or 8 Reales. For over 200 years, 8 Reales served as the standard medium of exchange in the United States, the Philippines, China, and many European markets, with coinage minted in New Spain and Mexico running into billions.

    The pieces of eight was called the Spanish dollar in the United States, where it remained legal tender in much of the pre-Civil War era of the Republic. Ferdinand and Isabella, Spanish monarchs famous for financing Columbus's expedition in search of a western route to the Indies, introduced the de a ocho reales as a part of a plan to furnish Spain with a unified coinage system. Reales, Spanish for royal, was sometimes called a 'bit' in English, which explains why a quarter is two bits, or three quarters six bits. The term bits may be a reference to a practice of cutting a pieces of eight into eight bits, which circulated as coins. Charles V spread the Spanish coinage system in Europe, where the pieces of eight was equal in value to the Bohemian or Saxon Thaler. In the United States it became the dollar.

    Vast silver deposits in Peru and Mexico enabled Spain to infuse the world trading system with a steady stream of reals. Mexico City became the seat of the largest mint in the world, turning out a piece of eight coin called the "pillar dollar", a reference to the symbol of the Pillars of Hercules stamped on the obverse (pillar series) or reverse (portrait series). One purpose of the coin was to advertise the New World, and the Pillars of Hercules, the strait that opens the Mediterranean into the Atlantic Ocean, was regarded as the door that led to the New World. The "$" sign probably evolved as a bookkeeping symbol for the dollar with the vertical line or lines representing the pillars and the S sign representing a banner hanging from it. The first, or Continental currency of the United States of America, was made payable in Spanish milled dollars. The Mexican peso and its subdivisions were legal tender in US until February 21, 1857, when by Act of Congress, all laws authorizing its circulation and acceptance were repealed.

    Here's an example of the pillar design:

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  • Thanks for the replies. I understand what you mean about Austria (Maria Thaler) and the 8 Reales, both were major trade coinage, but I was thinking more along the line of coins specifically designated as trade coinage.
  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,855 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks for the replies. I understand what you mean about Austria (Maria Thaler) and the 8 Reales, both were major trade coinage, but I was thinking more along the line of coins specifically designated as trade coinage. >>



    I understand. In that case you're limited to the U.S., British, and Japanese Trade $.

    By the way, there's an assumption that Barber designed the U.S. trade dollar reverse to be similar to the 8 Reales eagle that was already widely accepted in the Orient.

    Another thought is that the reason US decided to get into the whole trade coinage thing due to the opportunity that arose from the fact that Mexico changed their Cap and Ray design to the Balance Scale design and changed the diameter of the coin. This change was not accepted by the China market, forcing Mexico to go back to their Cap and Ray design in 1873. If I was a country like U.S. trying to enter international market, I would jump all over this opportunity.
  • I think you should follow the lines of Harold Salvesen. Spink auctioned his collection of trade dollars a few years back (Spink& Son, Zurich auction No. 28, 24 Oct. 1988). The "Greenland pillars" should definitely be included in your list.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,855 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think you should follow the lines of Harold Salvesen. Spink auctioned his collection of trade dollars a few years back (Spink& Son, Zurich auction No. 28, 24 Oct. 1988). The "Greenland pillars" should definitely be included in your list.

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    Carlos Jara
    http://www.lanumismatics.blogspot.com/
    "A blog about Latin American Numismatics" >>



    That was mean, Carlos. I was just starting to forget the disappointment I felt at not being able to own one of those pieces image

    From 2009 Heritage Long Beach sale:



    << <i>The Famous Greenland Dollar
    Christian VII Danish Asiatic Company Piastre 1777 - The Greenland Dollar, KM639.2, Davenport 412, Salv-52, AU58 NGC, highly appealing old-time cabinet patina with traces of luster in the legends. The Greenland Dollar is a bit of a misnomer in that it was struck for trade in the Orient, but includes the Danish island territories on the coin, namely Greenland, Iceland and the Faroe Islands. The design of the coin was inspired by the dominant Asian trade coin, the Spanish colonial pillar 8 Reales. This variety utilizes the ISLAN spelling for Iceland, rather than ISLAND. Salveson knew of 21 examples of this variety with 12 in museums. The Greenland Dollar is prized by collectors of Scandinavia, world crowns and trade dollars, and is easily one of the most famous coins ever struck. Estimate: $40,000 - $50,000. >>





  • STLNATSSTLNATS Posts: 1,601 ✭✭✭
    Wasn't the 1918 Eriteria tallero also a trade dollar specifically produced to compete with the MT taler?
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  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Mexico City and San Francisco mints restruck 10,000,000 1898 Mexican pesos for China in 1949.

    They were intended to pay the Nationalist Chinese soldiers fighting the Communists.

    These might be considered the last "trade dollars".

    I wrote an article on these coins several years ago;
    it is on my website below.

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  • mnemtsas2mnemtsas2 Posts: 745 ✭✭✭
    The French in Indo China (specifically) Cochinchina (southern Vietnam) established the Piastre as a trade dollar, the legend "Piastre Du Commerce" on them roughly translates to "trade dollar". They minted this coins from 1885 and the silver mass was largely similar to other trade dollars used in the region.
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  • Lots of interesting info, thanks!
  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Wasn't the 1918 Eriteria tallero also a trade dollar specifically produced to compete with the MT taler? >>



    And it even mimicked the design to the point where people in that region rejected it as a bad counterfeit. So they are now pretty rare coins since the Italians ended up destroying most of the coins.
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    << <i>And it even mimicked the design to the point where people in that region rejected it as a bad counterfeit. So they are now pretty rare coins since the Italians ended up destroying most of the coins >>


    It's also a widely counterfeited coin. Be carefull if you are buying one.

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  • NeoStarNeoStar Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭
    Lots of great information on this thread. I keep on clicking on it just to drool over the picture TwoKopeiki posted! image
  • I did see a great collection of Mexican reales with Chinese chopmarks somewhere. I think maybe Dan Ching's collection?
    Chinese cash enthusiast
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