Worst Defensive Players in the HOF
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Bill James wrote an article (maybe it was in response to a question) re the worst defensive players in the HOF at each position. He acknowledged that the 3B and SS will be bumped by Chipper and Jeter. Post your guesses, and I will list the players by position this evening. He sometimes did not choose to break the tie-I believe he had three names in CF.
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Long drive........way back........HOME RUN!
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout.
Joe
<< <i>Chicks dig the long ball. No one cares about defense.
Long drive........way back........HOME RUN!
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout.
Joe >>
Thats all I really care about too, MLB is such a joke now that I say let these guys do all the roids they want and BOMBS AWAY!
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Hey, Bill -- Are there any truly awful defensive players in the Hall of Fame? Who are the worst defensive players currently enshrined? What would be the starting 9 of worst defensive HOF at each position? I would think if you are truly awful defensively you generally would not last long enough to be a Hall of Famer.
Asked by: meanmike0001
Answered: 12/8/2011
I wouldn't say there is any really awful defensive player in the Hall of Fame. It's an interesting question that I've never really thought about before. Here's my first stab at an all-Iron Glove Cooperstown roster. . .Catcher, Ernie Lombardi (His weight was a real issue. If a ball bounced two feet away from him the runner would move up because Lombardi couldn't go after it.) First base, there are a lot of guys who aren't really good gloves, among them Bottomley, Cepeda and McCovey. Not sure about some of the 19th century guys, Brouthers and Connor; some of them may have been pretty bad. Second base, Carew, also Hornsby wasn't really GOOD. Third Base, Boggs; also Killebrew, who really had no position but won an MVP Award playing third and wasn't much of a third baseman, also Eddie Mathews, also Paul Molitor, who didn't really have a position, either. Shortstop, Arky Vaughan. Left Field, there's a bunch of candidates. ...Lou Brock wasn't a good fielder, Greenberg was awkward although he worked hard to compensate, Ralph Kiner wasn't a defensive player, Ted Williams wasn't really, Medwick wasn't, Stargell had a strong arm but limited mobility. Center Field, Earl Averill, Mantle and Kirby Puckett. Right Field is easy. Harry Heilmann. Pitcher, Nolan Ryan.
Joe
Rogers Hornsby - 1948
<< <i>How would Bill know that Hornsby wasn't a really good fielder if he never saw him play? Is that opinion formed based upon box scores or other first person accounts? >>
HIs opinion is based on a lifetime of research.
<< <i>"Hitting was my dish, not fielding. These modern hitters take their eyes off the ball. I followed the ball so closely that I could see it strike the bat."
Rogers Hornsby - 1948 >>
Love that quote as an example of the good ole days simply being the days in which 'you' were a part of
Looks like he won 6 Gold Gloves (not the best measure, but 6 is impressive). He also had a great arm and covered a lot of room between some pretty average Right and Left fielders before Torii Hunter showed up. I think we need to come up with a better way to rate defense.
Mantle may have suffered because of all of his injuries.
Hornsby came up as a good field not so good hit Shortstop and was an excellent 2nd Baseman, who supposedly had some trouble going into Right field on pop flies. Didn't get this from seeing him (LOL) from reading a book on his career. He was also an a$$hole to many, especially front office people, but Ted Williams liked him!
While I am here, Killebrew was a slightly above average 3rd baseman, an above average 1st baseman, I am not going to discuss his time in Left Field. Here's a question, how many HOF'ers could even get by playing three different positions (both infield and outfield) defensively. It's a statement to Killebrew's defensive ability that he could do this. Put Killer at third and leave him there for his entire career he ends up with over 600 home runs (he was seriously injured twice at 1st base) and gets into the discussion as the second best ever at that position behind Schmidt.
That felt good! I feel much better, have a nice day.
Joe
Speaker and Mays were revered because they played an unusually shallow Center field and still were able to get balls hit over their heads. Puckett on the other hand played deeper and loses some defensive "cred" because of this. He seemed to catch a lot of balls that were over the fence because of his leaping ability and timing. Watching the Twins all those years he SEEMED to do it pretty regularly. Can we look that up? That statistic, I would think, should be a huge factor in a players defensive value as it stops the other team from scoring from between 1 and 4 runs. Not to mention the unmeasurable effect it has on the other team's confidence. It's been said in several books I have read that Dimaggio never dived for a ball in his entire career, not sure if that is a good thing. I have heard Ashburn was very good as well, but haven't read as much about him.
I also think when you have a subject such as who was the worst _______ (fill in the blank) you are going to get a lot of arguments. I usually don't reply to these negative kinds of threads but this one just got under my skin.
I think it's much easier to determine hitting statistics. I would rate the hitters you mention in this order; Ruth, Williams, Gehrig, Musial, Aaron (with Gehrig and Williams being pretty much interchangeable). Right or wrong order not withstanding, a little different than saying someone is the worst in the HOF.
Joe
<< <i>Not in disagreement with you. While not a Twins fan during Puckett's career, it seemed to me that he was a very capable defensive centerfielder. >>
Agreed. I certainly can't see him being "below average" defensively.
Tabe
<< <i>You're mentioning Kirby Puckett as an example of one of the worst defensive Centerfielders? REALLY???
Joe >>
Shocking - Markj111 is a Braves fan!
Game 6 "We'll see you tomorrow night" and game 7 were 2 of the best back-to-back WS games ever.
Joe
Saberman, where are you to clear this up for me?
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<< <i>You're mentioning Kirby Puckett as an example of one of the worst defensive Centerfielders? REALLY???
Joe >>
Shocking - Markj111 is a Braves fan!
Game 6 "We'll see you tomorrow night" and game 7 were 2 of the best back-to-back WS games ever. >>
Both games were terrific. I was referring to what Bill James (and baseball-reference) said re Puckett's defense. I did not watch him that often. I do believe the numbers, though.
The defensive numbers do have some merit.
When comparing players that play centerfield, remember that there have been a lot of very speedy guys put there for there primarily for their defense, so it is natural that guys like Puckett, whom are primarily offensive weapons but are good enough to patrol CF, do come out as below average among defensive centerfieders.
Joe, it is a good point about Puckett robbing home runs, as taking a home run away is certainly more valuable than taking a double away. But you have to look at the whole ledger, for example.
Typically, the average home run in Puckett's time was worth about 1.40 runs above average.
The average triple 1.09
The average double .78
The average single .49
The average OUT was -.25
If he is playing deep, he will rob some home runs, but it could be at the expense of turning a lot of would be OUTS into singles, etc...
You would have to get a good read on how many home runs he actually did rob to get a more accurate account. You would also have to research the amount of balls hit into each area that were outs and hits. Some of the better measurements do that. Even if that is done, it does still leave it murky.
However, him robbing home runs could also be a product of the home ball park. Some parks are VERY difficult for centerfielders to rob home runs, and some are nearly impossible...there werent' too many home runs being robbed in or near centerfield in Fenway.
To give him credit for that skill over other centerfielders isn't entirely fair, because the Metrodome was condusive to robbing home runs.
Defense is definitely harder to measure than offense, I am sure this will always be true.
Puckett had very good speed, especially in his early years (just like a lot of players who we tend to remember at or near the end of their careers when they gained weight and slowed down), and a lot of those speedy defensive specialists didn't make the HOF. I am not saying Puck's was among the top defenders but certainly in the top half.
Using your numbers (good numbers by the way) Puckett would have to miss 6 singles because of his deeper play to overcome 1 of his over the wall home run robberies. Not to mention that logically a deeper playing Center fielder is going to prevent more doubles and triples as well.
Statistically.......maybee. I think the one point you "stat" guys ignore (prolly because it can't be measured) is the effect a play like that has on the other team. Kind of like when a football team drives the length of the field and misses the chip shot field goal, only this is a proactive event.
Now we get back to my biggest complaint on defense;
"You would have to get a good read on how many home runs he actually did rob to get a more accurate account. You would also have to research the amount of balls hit into each area that were outs and hits. Some of the better measurements do that. Even if that is done, it does still leave it murky."
Couldn't say it better, was it a line shot to the gap curving away from the fielder that he made an instantaneous jump on and stabbed at a dead run, or a well hit ball between the fielders that everyone can see should be caught as soon as it leaves the bat. Both catches carry the same weight in the scorebook.
The reason I brought up robbing home runs was two fold; first I get by the argument that he didn't do it, people remember those catches, but they aren't recorded as anything but a putout. Secondly the value is there, and fairly or unfairly he was able to do it frequently. The Metrodome was at one point, easier to rob home runs, but in the aforementioned "catch" against the Braves, I do believe it was a leaping catch high off the plexiglass, which was later taken down. So his leaping ability is NOT limited to parks with a lower wall, but now he is robbing hitters of doubles and triples instead of home runs.
Speaking of fair. How is it fair if one of those shallow players has no chance to catch the ball because of his positioning, and the ball clears the fence by inches, in a park with 10' or lower walls? Everyone says oh well, home run blah blah blah. Well Puckett isn't the only player that can jump. I know Fred Lynn could do it, even in Boston.
I will re-use my Dimaggio example. Players that have written, or been interviewed for books I have read, said he never dove for a ball "he didn't have to". Maybe he would have caught a few more if he did. Stats don't show that do they?
Actually I got over my rant several posts ago when I saw that Gorman Thomas was a better outfielder than Puckett. If stats can show that, lets throw them out altogether (only kidding man take it easy LOL).
I'll go back to that old unsubstantiated "I saw him play" statistic and Puckett was a superb fielder with no weakness in his game. Unfortunately his image went down the crapper because he turned out to be much less than perfect, an image he held during his playing days here in Minnesota.
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TTFN (ta ta for now)
Joe
I was never impressed with Reggie Jackson's defense.
Those are all valid points/concerns.
Funny thing about your post is that before I posted my first post in this thread...I was going to make a joke about Gorman Thomas and centerfield...along the lines of, "if he could do it,etc..." But, as you can see, I couldn't come up with a joke good enough...so I didn't post it.
It is an interesting angle to take about robbing home runs...and it shouldn't be given the same defensive impact as a guy gets credit for catching a routine fly ball.
Too bad he wasn't subject to the current video play by play analysis that is used now....then it would be known.
Maybe you could find some of that info somewhere. SOme of it may be 'unofficial', but could get some general idea.
What would your personal estimate be on how many home runs he robbed in a typical year?
It may end up being that he averaged robbing five home runs a year, which would make a difference in his value, although not a huge one.
One thing I am not sure is what you mean by Fred Lynn in Fenway. It isn't possible to rob a home run in left center or straight away center in Fenway. And right center is pretty deep, so that woud be difficult too.
It would be paramount to take this into account for all players to give a fair assessment of each players ability and performance.
On Fred Lynn, I am not referring to a play at Fenway. I read a fantastic book a few years ago by ex major league umpire Ron Luciano. "The Umpire Strikes Back". Ron spoke of a play in which Lynn sprinted across the field, dove halfway over the fence to try to catch a ball. Luciano was calling it a home run as he did not believe the ball could be caught. As he was about to signal for a home run, Fred fell back into the field of play and held up the ball for the Umpire to see. Point being, the athletic outfielder who risks it all (Lynn ripped the skin of his arm on the play) is not rewarded for his extraordinary skill and then some #$#@& guy comes along and says "He wasn't a good defensive player".......... ludicrous. Most outfielders are simply not able to make the spectacular play, either over the fence, or jumping high against it, at best they usually play it off the wall or fence "holding" (HA HA) the runner to a double. They get applauded for their fine defensive play and the inning continues with men having scored or men in scoring position(s).
I would like to hear your thoughts specifically on Range Factor, seems to me it's much to generic to say "let's add put outs and assists to show defensive prowess". Using this method, if a center fielder has good players on either side of him and shows right away (as Puckett did) that you can't take the extra base on him, this defensive player will grade poorly.
I also see Chet Lemon grades out very well, I remember him as a solid player, but no defensive whiz.
Should have skipped the Vikings game. Drew Brees is impressive.
Joe
to answer your question, I seem to remember Puckett specifically robbing home runs maybe six times a year (just a guess) he was still doing it in the early 1990's) for seven to eight years. Another related comment on the above mentioned catch by Fred Lynn. Luciano was flabergasted by Lynn's catch and went on to say it made the local sports news but if it had happened in a playoff or World Series game you would have seen it a million times. I am a Twins junkie and watched the local sports, and sports shows all the time, so I got to see these catches when no one in other markets did.
I think taking Assists + PO to determine a range factor, or defensive prowes, will be very faulty.
Even with the play by play accounts, there is no way to go back to the play by play accounts, which will note; double to CF, or flyout to deep left, to know exactly the trajectory, velocity, or exact location of those balls. To me, without knowing the trajectory, velocity, and exact locations of those balls, there is a huge hole when forming the conclusion.
If you take those three factors; trajectory, velocity, and location of the balls hit, there could be different combinations. For example, a ball could be hit to the exact same spot on the field for each player, but the trajectory was different. In order to be truly fair, only balls with the exact combination of those three factors(and other factors) should be measured equally. Any change in any of those factors can dramatically alter the outcomes.
THe premise is that those types of velocities, locations, and trajectories even out, and simply by looking how many fall in their field, and how many are caught, will determine their ability. I have doubts that they do even out, especially since each player has a different pitching staff behind them at all times.
I want to try and nail down exactly what you are saying in regard to the athletic players like a Fred Lynn, or a leaping Puckett.
Joe, we have to break it down to its most basic element.
When Fred Lynn consistently shows that ability to make amazing catches, is he having to dive so often because he is not covering as much ground as another centerfielder...or is his ability to make catches like that a skill set that is allowing him to make plays on those specific type balls that others would not make, even though it is assumed they would make it because they have a higher range factor?
We can stick with Lynn as the example since he fits the profile of what I think you are saying...and it removes the hometown factor from you.
My personal view, is that when a guy makes catches such as the one you describe about Lynn and does it regularly...but others do not...I think that tells something that the putouts and assists cannot measure.
Kind of like you said with Dimaggio. It shouldn't be assumed that he didn't dive because he simply had great range and didn't have to. It could just as well be that he could have dove on a lot of balls and made plays that looked more like plays Fred Lynn made, because who is to say that the balls Lynn made those plays on could have been made without having to dive? It isn't like Lynn moved like a sloth.
On BaseballReference, their best defensive measurement, The Total Zone Fielding Runs above average(which bases its info on the play by play data) has the following:
Lynn -27
Gorman THomas -23
Puckett -14
Defensive measurements have their quirks, and there is one figure that may make people scratch their heads:
Sammy Sosa is +104
It could be a surprise that we simply didn't notice, or it could be a flawed measurement. But I don't think there is a baseball fan, player, or manager in the world that would agree that Sosa was not only a better outfielder than Lynn...but better by leaps and bounds! I have a VERY difficult time swallowing that, and I am a numbers guy.
I use Baseball Reference.com as my reference and it says range factor is putouts + assists / games played = range factor. How many times the ball is hit to you (and you make the catch) is going to determine your range factor since most outfielders seem to make between 10-20 assists per year and that is a closer margin than putouts. In 1995 Sosa was 3rd in Putouts and 2nd in assists making him 1st in range factor. His assists actually dropped from 1993 when he had 4 more (17). His assists dropped by 20% and he was a better Right Fielder?
What I am saying is in the case of defensive rankings, with the formulas we have, observation is probably as good if not a better way to rate fielders. I am an American League guy and don't have a clue as to how good Sosa was in the outfield all I ever saw was home runs, because that's all they ever showed on television.
Sosa had two 1st place finishes, two 3rds, three 4ths and three 5ths in range factor. Ten top 5s in twelve years. No Gold Gloves. Nine times he made the top 5 in errors! I am having trouble finding leaders in fielding percentage but his was .962 with 13 errors in 1995!
Take a look at Puckett's fielding % was NEVER below .984. Lifetime beats Sosa .990 to .974. Puckett had as many assists and nearly as many putouts as Sosa did and played 500 less games with 6 Gold Gloves. Now I know we are comparing a RF with a CF but how is Sosa better?
I am a numbers guy as well although I put a lot more weight on observation than you do. I am really curious as to why Puckett seems to "rank" so low when I think and my statistics show he was great.
I know Willie Mays was considered one of the greatest Centerfielders of all time. Here's some comparisons to Puckett. Per game Puckett made 2.57 Put Outs, .083 Assists and .029 Errors, lifetime Fielding % .989. Mays made 2.78 Put Outs, .079 Assists and .053 Errors for a lifetime Fielding % of .981!
The only category Mays shows better numbers is Put Outs. Of course Willie had "old man years" and Puckett retired after playing his last two years in RF.
I have a headache!
Joe
<< <i>They had Jose Cruz, Bake McBride, and Tony Scott for those years. I don't recall any of those three being great defensively (although I think Scott was probably pretty good). >>
I read on another board that the numbers show Jose Cruz to be an all-time great defensively. That sure does jibe with what I remember.
Tabe
<< <i>Something is definitely wrong with the way defensive rankings are figured. Not everything can be measured correctly.
Joe >>
Two biggest problems with Defensive stats - too much subjectivity in measurements and too small a sample size.
I'll pull one example solely base on the fact he is being discussed here - Kirby Puckett. His average season offensively was around 700 PAs and 650 ABs, more than enough to draw statistical conclusions. His two biggest seasons DEFENSIVELY were around 490 total chances each. Even being absurdly conservative, you can easily throw out 75% of the plays as being of the routine "anyone can make the play" variety. That means for each season you have MAYBE 125 plays on which to draw a conclusion about how he rates relative to other players. Given that he averaged under 3 total chances per game over his career, just how accurate of a picture can you draw of his (or any OF's) defensive impact relative to others on a similar plane??
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<< <i>The fact that defensive ability is difficult to quantify does not mean that we should not try. I prefer the numbers to observation. Griffey Jr. looked good in the outfield, but his range was not that great. It is easier to evaluate the plays a fielder makes than the ones he does not make. The people at STATS do a good job. A new version of the Fielding Bible will be out this spring. If it as good as the 1st two, I highly recommend it. >>
Yes, continued efforts on improving defensive stats have really helped, but sometimes people have a tendency to overread the available stats. In engineering school, they used to teach us about the difference between accuracy and precision, and I think sometimes that distinction gets lost in the defensive stats. That doesn'tmean stop trying to measure it, but it does mean the measurements have to be viewed in the proper context.
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Rank Player (yrs, age) Total Zone Runs as CF (s.1954) Throws
1. Andruw Jones (16, 34) 220 R
2. Willie Mays+ (22) 176 R
3. Paul Blair (17) 171 R
4. Jim Piersall (17) 129 R
5. Kenny Lofton (17) 115 L
6. Devon White (17) 112 R
7. Willie Davis (18) 103 L
8. Curt Flood (15) 99 R
9. Garry Maddox (15) 98 R
10. Chet Lemon (16) 96 R
11. Mike Cameron (17, 38) 93 R
12. Darin Erstad (14) 81 L
13. Jim Edmonds (17) 80 L
Gary Pettis (11) 80 R
15. Carlos Beltran (14, 34) 79 R
16. Andre Dawson+ (21) 77 R
Lance Johnson (14) 77 L
18. Cesar Geronimo (15) 60 L
19. Tommie Agee (12) 58 R
20. Darrin Jackson (12) 57 R
21. Reggie Smith (17) 55 R
22. Ken Berry (14) 52 R
Dwayne Murphy (12) 52 R
24. Dave Henderson (14) 46 R
Bill Virdon (12) 46 R
26. Franklin Gutierrez (7, 28) 45 R
27. Lenny Dykstra (12) 44 L
Doug Glanville (9) 44 R
B.J. Upton (7, 26) 44 R
30. Jim Landis (11) 42 R
Aaron Rowand (11, 33) 42 R
32. Jim Busby (13) 41 R
33. Richie Ashburn+ (15) 39 R
Drew Stubbs (3, 26) 39 R
Willy Taveras (7, 29) 39 R
Rondell White (15) 39 R
37. Bill Bruton (12) 37 R
Bill North (11) 37 R
39. Tony Scott (11) 36 R
40. Scott Podsednik (10, 35) 34 L
41. Darren Lewis (13) 32 R
Grady Sizemore (8, 28) 32 L
43. Eddie Milner (9) 31 L
Jay Payton (12) 31 R
Derrel Thomas (15) 31 R
46. Endy Chavez (10, 33) 30 L
Carlos Gomez (5, 25) 30 R
48. Willie Wilson (19) 29 R
49. Peter Bourjos (2, 24) 28 R
Chris Singleton (6) 28 L
Rank Player (yrs, age) Total Zone Runs as CF (s.1954) Throws
51. Chuck Carr (8) 26 R
Elliott Maddox (11) 26 R
53. Stan Javier (17) 25 R
Omar Moreno (12) 25 L
55. Mickey Stanley (15) 24 R
56. Michael Bourn (6, 28) 23 R
Mike Devereaux (12) 23 R
58. David DeJesus (9, 31) 22 L
Del Unser (15) 22 L
60. Ty Cline (12) 21 L
Vic Davalillo (16) 21 L
Richard Hidalgo (9) 21 R
Ichiro Suzuki (11, 37) 21 R
Milt Thompson (13) 21 R
65. Rick Bosetti (7) 20 R
Darren Bragg (11) 20 R
Eric Byrnes (11) 20 R
Coco Crisp (10, 31) 20 R
Milt Cuyler (8) 20 R
Brian Hunter (10) 20 R
Kevin McReynolds (12) 20 R
Ruben Rivera (9, 37) 20 R
73. Nook Logan (4) 19 R
74. Kimera Bartee (6) 18 R
Brady Clark (9) 18 R
George Foster (18) 18 R
Corey Patterson (12, 31) 18 R
78. Rick Ankiel (9, 31) 17 L
Rickey Henderson+ (25) 17 L
Jay Johnstone (20) 17 R
Jacque Jones (10) 17 L
Terry Jones (5) 17 R
Tsuyoshi Shinjo (3) 17 R
84. Chuck Diering (9) 16 R
Bobby Tolan (13) 16 L
Shane Victorino (8, 30) 16 R
87. Juan Beniquez (17) 15 R
Cecil Espy (8) 15 R
Curtis Granderson (8, 30) 15 R
Felix Pie (5, 26) 15 L
91. Marquis Grissom (17) 14 R
Jason Michaels (11, 35) 14 R
Adolfo Phillips (8) 14 R
Dave Roberts (10) 14 L
95. Jesse Barfield (12) 13 R
Jody Gerut (6) 13 L
Jim Gosger (10) 13 L
Bill Sharp (4) 13 L
Mitch Webster (13) 13 L
100. George Altman (9) 12 R
Rank Player (yrs, age) Total Zone Runs as CF (s.1954) Throws
Barry Bonds (22) 12 L
Boots Day (6) 12 L
Jimmie Hall (8) 12 R
Rick Miller (15) 12 L
Nyjer Morgan (5, 30) 12 L
Lloyd Moseby (12) 12 R
Lee Tinsley (5) 12 R
Ron Woods (6) 12 R
109. Angel Pagan (6, 29) 11 R
Andy Van Slyke (13) 11 R
Gerald Williams (14) 11 R
112. Bobby Del Greco (9) 10 R
Carlos Gonzalez (4, 25) 10 L
Jerry Hairston (14, 35) 10 R
Don Landrum (8) 10 R
Joe Lovitto (4) 10 R
Deion Sanders (9) 10 L
F.P. Santangelo (7) 10 R
Ryan Thompson (9) 10 R
Andres Torres (7, 33) 10 R
Michael Tucker (12) 10 R
Ken Williams (6) 10 R
123. Mike Anderson (9) 9 R
Dusty Baker (19) 9 R
Bill Bean (6) 9 L
Midre Cummings (11) 9 R
Mike Davis (10) 9 L
Jason Ellison (6) 9 R
Craig Gentry (3, 27) 9 R
David Green (6) 9 R
Josh Hamilton (5, 30) 9 L
Ruppert Jones (12) 9 L
Steve Lyons (9) 9 R
Calvin Murray (5) 9 R
Ivan Murrell (10) 9 R
Jim Nettles (6) 9 L
Bill Robinson (16) 9 R
Cesar Tovar (12) 9 R
Claudell Washington (17) 9 L
140. Jim Bolger (7) 8 R
Ken Boyer (15) 8 R
Damon Buford (9) 8 R
Bob Coluccio (5) 8 R
J.D. Drew (14, 35) 8 R
Dwight Evans (20) 8 R
Brett Gardner (4, 27) 8 L
Mike Hershberger (11) 8 R
Thomas Howard (11) 8 R
Adam Jones (6, 25) 8 R
Randy Kutcher (5) 8 R
Rank Player (yrs, age) Total Zone Runs as CF (s.1954) Throws
Mike Lum (15) 8 L
Jim Lyttle (8) 8 R
Shane Mack (9) 8 R
Cameron Maybin (5, 24) 8 R
Bake McBride (11) 8 R
Luis Melendez (8) 8 R
Bobby Mitchell (4) 8 L
Fernando Perez (2, 28) 8 R
Joe Simpson (9) 8 L
Gene Stephens (12) 8 R
161. Felipe Alou (17) 7 R
Glen Barker (3) 7 R
Rob Ducey (13) 7 R
Chris Duffy (4) 7 L
Jeff Duncan (2) 7 L
John Hale (6) 7 R
Matt Kemp (6, 26) 7 R
Gene Kingsale (7) 7 R
Wayne Kirby (8) 7 R
Ryan Langerhans (9, 31) 7 L
Jose Macias (7) 7 R
Mitch Maier (5, 29) 7 R
Jason Repko (6, 30) 7 R
Merv Rettenmund (13) 7 R
Gary Roenicke (12) 7 R
Chris Young (6, 27) 7 R
177. Hank Aaron+ (23) 6 R
Alfredo Amezaga (9, 33) 6 R
Garret Anderson (17) 6 L
Steve Brye (9) 6 R
Casey Candaele (9) 6 R
Bubba Crosby (4) 6 L
Ken Griffey (22) 6 L
Dwayne Hosey (2) 6 R
Eli Marrero (10) 6 R
Eddie Miksis (14) 6 R
Melvin Mora (13, 39) 6 R
Joe Nossek (6) 6 R
Wes Parker (9) 6 L
Tim Raines (3) 6 R
Bill Russell (18) 6 R
Pete Whisenant (8) 6 R
Alan Wiggins (7) 6 R
Glenn Wilson (10) 6 R
Carl Yastrzemski+ (23) 6 R
196. Tony Campana (1, 25) 5 L
Sil Campusano (3) 5 R
Gene Clines (10) 5 R
Rich Coggins (5) 5 L
Chris Dickerson (4, 29) 5 L
Rank Player (yrs, age) Total Zone Runs as CF (s.1954) Throws
Jarrod Dyson (2, 26) 5 R
Dan Gladden (11) 5 R
Jose Hernandez (15) 5 R
Jim Holt (9) 5 R
Norris Hopper (3) 5 R
Wendell Magee (7) 5 R
Dave May (12) 5 R
Bob Perry (2) 5 R
Jack Reed (3) 5 R
Rip Repulski (9) 5 R
Pat Sheridan (9) 5 R
Bob Speake (4) 5 L
Bobby Valentine (10) 5 R
Jayson Werth (9, 32) 5 R
215. Reggie Abercrombie (3, 30) 4 R
Bobby Brooks (4) 4 R
Eric Bruntlett (7) 4 R
Duke Carmel (4) 4 L
Jason Conti (5) 4 R
Scott Cousins (2, 26) 4 L
Shawon Dunston (18) 4 R
Jacoby Ellsbury (5, 27) 4 L
Rod Gaspar (4) 4 L
Curtis Goodwin (5) 4 L
Von Hayes (12) 4 R
Jim Howarth (4) 4 L
Pat Howell (1) 4 R
Al Kaline+ (22) 4 R
Ed Kirkpatrick (16) 4 R
Jeff Kunkel (8) 4 R
Lee Lacy (16) 4 R
Rudy Law (7) 4 L
Scott Loucks (5) 4 R
Fernando Martinez (3, 22) 4 R
Nelson Mathews (6) 4 R
Jason McDonald (4) 4 R
Hal McRae (19) 4 R
Sam Mejias (6) 4 R
Laynce Nix (9, 30) 4 L
Jim Norris (4) 4 L
Rick Peters (5) 4 R
Terry Puhl (15) 4 R
Julio Ramirez (5) 4 R
Lenny Randle (12) 4 R
Jeremy Reed (8, 30) 4 L
Michael Saunders (3, 24) 4 R
Larry Stahl (10) 4 L
Jesus Tavarez (5) 4 R
Tom Umphlett (3) 4 R
Tony Walker (1) 4 R
Rank Player (yrs, age) Total Zone Runs as CF (s.1954) Throws
Turner Ward (12) 4 R
Pat Watkins (3) 4 R
Gary Woods (9) 4 R
254. Kevin Belcher (1) 3 R
Buddy Bell (18) 3 R
Lance Blankenship (6) 3 R
Willie Bloomquist (10, 33) 3 R
J.T. Bruett (2) 3 L
Don Buford (10) 3 R
Todd Dunwoody (6) 3 L
Marshall Edwards (3) 3 L
Darren Ford (2, 25) 3 R
Andy Fox (9) 3 R
Art Gardner (3) 3 L
Gary Geiger (12) 3 R
Jose Gonzalez (8) 3 R
Howie Goss (2) 3 R
Chris Heisey (2, 26) 3 R
Dann Howitt (6) 3 R
Brandon Inge (11, 34) 3 R
Ben Johnson (3) 3 R
Tony Kubek (9) 3 R
Sixto Lezcano (12) 3 R
Scott Lusader (5) 3 L
Ruben Mateo (6) 3 R
Oddibe McDowell (7) 3 L
Joe McEwing (9) 3 R
Roman Mejias (9) 3 R
Ben Oglivie (16) 3 L
Wily Mo Pena (8, 29) 3 R
Josh Reddick (3, 24) 3 R
Jim Small (4) 3 L
Dave Stegman (6) 3 R
Stan Swanson (1) 3 R
Jarvis Tatum (3) 3 R
Reggie Taylor (5) 3 R
George Thomas (13) 3 R
Casper Wells (2, 26) 3 R
Jerry White (11) 3 R
290. Mike Aldrete (10) 2 L
Dell Alston (4) 2 R
Ed Amelung (2) 2 L
Ed Armbrister (5) 2 R
Todd Benzinger (9) 2 R
Steve Bieser (2) 2 R
Rick Bladt (2) 2 R
Bruce Boisclair (5) 2 L
Walt Bond (6) 2 R
Don Bosch (4) 2 R
Bobby Brown (7) 2 R
Rank Player (yrs, age) Total Zone Runs as CF (s.1954) Throws
Darrell Brown (4) 2 R
Emil Brown (10) 2 R
Jarvis Brown (5) 2 R
Travis Buck (5, 27) 2 R
Jose Cardenal (18) 2 R
Rich Chiles (6) 2 L
Jack Clark (18) 2 R
Roberto Clemente+ (18) 2 R
Chili Davis (19) 2 R
Bob Dernier (10) 2 R
Alex Diaz (8) 2 R
Jeff Fiorentino (4, 28) 2 R
Tim Foli (16) 2 R
Eric Fox (4) 2 L
Ben Francisco (5, 29) 2 R
Charles Gipson (8) 2 R
Andy Gonzalez (3, 29) 2 R
Lenny Green (12) 2 L
Aaron Guiel (5) 2 R
Shane Halter (8) 2 R
Ken Henderson (16) 2 R
David Howard (9) 2 R
Mike Howard (3) 2 R
Ken Hunt (6) 2 R
Jon Jay (2, 26) 2 L
Hal Jeffcoat (12) 2 R
Jackie Jensen (11) 2 R
Chris Jones (2) 2 L
Felix Jose (11) 2 R
Ryan Kalish (1, 23) 2 L
Mark Kotsay (15, 35) 2 L
Josh Kroeger (1, 28) 2 L
Johnny Lewis (4) 2 R
Manny Martinez (3) 2 R
Mike McCoy (3, 30) 2 R
George Metkovich (10) 2 L
Kerwin Moore (1) 2 R
Donell Nixon (4) 2 R
Paul O'Neill (17) 2 L
Charlie Peete (1) 2 R
Jim Pisoni (5) 2 R
Paul Powell (3) 2 R
Vic Power (12) 2 R
Tike Redman (6, 34) 2 L
R.J. Reynolds (8) 2 R
Fred Rico (1) 2 R
Jim Rivera (10) 2 L
Mickey Rivers (15) 2 L
Jason Romano (4) 2 R
Jerry Royster (16) 2 R
Rank Player (yrs, age) Total Zone Runs as CF (s.1954) Throws
Donnie Sadler (8) 2 R
Brian Simmons (3) 2 R
Alfonso Soriano (13, 35) 2 R
So Taguchi (8) 2 R
Bobby Thompson (1) 2 R
Jose Valentin (16) 2 R
Gary Ward (12) 2 R
Reggie Williams (4) 2 R
Randy Winn (13) 2 R
Gerald Young (8) 2 R
Joel Youngblood (14) 2 R
362. Matt Alexander (9) 1 R
Bruce Aven (5) 1 R
Milton Bradley (12, 33) 1 R
Mike Brown (5) 1 R
Tom Brunansky (14) 1 R
Ron Calloway (2) 1 L
Tim Corcoran (9) 1 L
Willie Crawford (14) 1 L
Mike Darr (3) 1 R
Kerry Dineen (3) 1 L
Jim Gilliam (14) 1 R
Luis Gonzalez (19) 1 R
Scarborough Green (3) 1 R
Freddy Guzman (4, 30) 1 R
Cesar Hernandez (2) 1 R
Dave Krynzel (2) 1 L
Vance Law (11) 1 R
Ricky Ledee (10) 1 L
Doug Loman (2) 1 L
Rodney McCray (3) 1 R
Kevin Mitchell (13) 1 R
Luis Montanez (4, 29) 1 R
Ramon Nivar (3) 1 R
Dan Norman (5) 1 R
Jon Nunnally (6) 1 R
Troy O'Leary (11) 1 L
Jim Pendleton (8) 1 R
Santiago Perez (2) 1 R
Jorge Piedra (3) 1 L
Prentice Redman (1, 31) 1 R
Darren Reed (2) 1 R
Jimmy Rosario (3) 1 R
Rick Sofield (3) 1 R
Rennie Stennett (11) 1 R
Mark Teahen (7, 29) 1 R
Charles Thomas (2) 1 L
Brian Turang (2) 1 R
George Vukovich (6) 1 R
Jim Wohlford (15) 1 R
How many does Jeter have?