Calling all EAC experts is this a 1799 Cent

Twinturbo · December 7, 2011 7:58AM

I purchased this coin a while back as a 1799 and would like to know whether or not it is a real 1799. If its not so I can exercise the return option and if it is real so I may slab it.
Photos arent great but its what I can do, I can take more if needed.

Thank You

coolest · December 7, 2011 8:04AM

seems to me if the date has been removed it is no longer a 1799 cent even if it was at one time

LanceNewmanOCC · December 7, 2011 8:08AM

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looks to me to ok from the images, which are not sufficient for my level of experience

don't forget to attribute it if you do get it graded
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Twinturbo · December 7, 2011 8:08AM

Date is still there all 4 digits, I know the 1799 can be faked so I am trying to confirm its authenticicty if any

Twinturbo · December 7, 2011 8:26AM

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looks to me to ok from the images, which are not sufficient for my level of experience

don't forget to attribute it if you do get it graded
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Would you like more pics?

Walkerguy21D · December 7, 2011 8:32AM

Got me, I really can't tell much from the pics unfortunately.

Good idea to get some authentification help though. This date has been faked for many many years.
I sent these (the seller's) pics to three forum members here for their opinion, the seller whom I trust said Bob Grellman had
verified it, and I showed it to Chris McAwley and a few other EAC guys after I bought it. Call me paranoid

It's a junker, but it's real:

LanceNewmanOCC · December 7, 2011 8:59AM

<< Call me paranoid

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paranoid or not it is fun to work with experts

i have enjoyed it as well
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LanceNewmanOCC · December 7, 2011 9:02AM

<< Would you like more pics? >>

nah, my physical and mental energy is ebbing/waning so i am not up for authentication/attribution this evening

may be a good opportunity to email Bob G. and send it to him
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Twinturbo · December 8, 2011 9:42AM

Bump

LanceNewmanOCC · December 8, 2011 9:53AM

<< Bump >>

you haven't sent it to bob yet?
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lkeigwin · December 8, 2011 10:18AM

The trick to authenticating a 1799 cent lies in the highest curls at the top of the head...their shape and positions relative to ER in LIBERTY.

The first image below is from a genuine 1799. The other is not.

Can we see a picture with this detail?
Lance.

MikeInFL · December 8, 2011 11:28AM

I'm no expert, but....

Note the position of the T in LIBERTY against the top curls of the hair, then compare to a real 1799 (like the 1st photo above).

When I do, the T appears too far right to be a 1799, therefore I would rule out that date.

IMO of course, and here's hoping I'm wrong.

Twinturbo · December 8, 2011 11:50AM

<< The trick to authenticating a 1799 cent lies in the highest curls at the top of the head...their shape and positions relative to ER in LIBERTY.

The first image below is from a genuine 1799. The other is not.

Can we see a picture with this detail?
Lance.

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Lance I removed the green stuff through acetone and she matches with the second pictire.
So it appears its not a 1799 large cent
Thanks for the info will be conducting a return. And i saved your photos for future reference

LanceNewmanOCC · December 8, 2011 12:05PM

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based on my images from the husak and holmes sales

that attribution feature is sufficient and reliable
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thanks for those images, i will be saving them as well for educational purposes
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MikeInFL · December 8, 2011 12:11PM

FYI, there are two varieties for 1799 -- S-188 and S-189. Check Heritage for pics of both:

Heritage S-189

Heritage S-188 (1799/8)

I'm sorry to say that neither appear to have the same location of T in LIBERTY as the OP's coin.

CaptHenway · December 8, 2011 12:18PM

Not a 1799. Don't waste money sending it off.

Twinturbo · December 8, 2011 5:22PM

<< Not a 1799. Don't waste money sending it off. >>

Already filed my SNAD waiting now to settle the issue

Calling all EAC experts is this a 1799 Cent

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