Pristine Paper - That's A Lot Of Tens
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Forgive me if there's been a thread on this topic. If you've bought from this seller, were you pleased? Curious as they have some cards in which I'm interested. That's an impressive haul of low pop cards they've gotten. Just desirous of community thoughts here before dropping mad loot. Thanks.
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<< <i>Forgive me if there's been a thread on this topic. If you've bought from this seller, were you pleased? Curious as they have some cards in which I'm interested. That's an impressive haul of low pop cards they've gotten. Just desirous of community thoughts here before dropping mad loot. Thanks. >>
Assuming the odds that a truly 'gem mint' card (whatever that means) has about a 15% chance of actually grading a 10, and 20 cards with sequential certs are in PSA 10 holders, then there's less than a .000001% chance that these cards would have received these grades if you or I had simply sent them in. How any particular collector chooses to interpret that fact is up to them.
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<< <i>Forgive me if there's been a thread on this topic. If you've bought from this seller, were you pleased? Curious as they have some cards in which I'm interested. That's an impressive haul of low pop cards they've gotten. Just desirous of community thoughts here before dropping mad loot. Thanks. >>
Assuming the odds that a truly 'gem mint' card (whatever that means) has about a 15% chance of actually grading a 10, and 20 cards with sequential certs are in PSA 10 holders, then there's less than a .000001% chance that these cards would have received these grades if you or I had simply sent them in. How any particular collector chooses to interpret that fact is up to them. >>
"20 cards with sequential certs are in PSA 10 holders"
From the 60s and 70s, no less
That blows my mind
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<< <i>Forgive me if there's been a thread on this topic. If you've bought from this seller, were you pleased? Curious as they have some cards in which I'm interested. That's an impressive haul of low pop cards they've gotten. Just desirous of community thoughts here before dropping mad loot. Thanks. >>
Assuming the odds that a truly 'gem mint' card (whatever that means) has about a 15% chance of actually grading a 10, and 20 cards with sequential certs are in PSA 10 holders, then there's less than a .000001% chance that these cards would have received these grades if you or I had simply sent them in. How any particular collector chooses to interpret that fact is up to them. >>
Boo, I'm curious about your "truly 'gem mint' card (whatever that means) has about a 15% chance of actually grading a 10" statement . . .
Are you implying that only 15% of those cards that meet PSA definitions for a 10 end up in a 10 holder? Or are you implying that about 15% of what you or I or Pristine Paper would deem to meet PSA's definitions for a 10 end up in a 10 holder.
~WalterSobchak
they are also kinda tough to sell, which might expalin the high opening bid prices.
1974: PSA 8 +
1975-1979: PSA 9+
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<< <i>Forgive me if there's been a thread on this topic. If you've bought from this seller, were you pleased? Curious as they have some cards in which I'm interested. That's an impressive haul of low pop cards they've gotten. Just desirous of community thoughts here before dropping mad loot. Thanks. >>
Assuming the odds that a truly 'gem mint' card (whatever that means) has about a 15% chance of actually grading a 10, and 20 cards with sequential certs are in PSA 10 holders, then there's less than a .000001% chance that these cards would have received these grades if you or I had simply sent them in. How any particular collector chooses to interpret that fact is up to them. >>
Boo, I'm curious about your "truly 'gem mint' card (whatever that means) has about a 15% chance of actually grading a 10" statement . . .
Are you implying that only 15% of those cards that meet PSA definitions for a 10 end up in a 10 holder? Or are you implying that about 15% of what you or I or Pristine Paper would deem to meet PSA's definitions for a 10 end up in a 10 holder. >>
That 15% of whatever the graded-card collecting community at large thinks is gem mint ends up in a PSA 10 holder. Or, to put it a little differently, if you took 100 random graded card enthusiasts, put them in a room with 10's of thousands of minty looking 1975 minis, and asked them to pull out all the cards that they think are gem mint, then about 15% of those would grade a 10 if they were sent to Newport Beach.
Whether it's 15%, 10%, or 75%, though, doesn't really make a difference. Take any number <1 and raise it to the 20th power and you'll have a value that isn't statistically different from '0'.
I'd be inclined to agree with PackCollector, that this was a kickback submission. So, you just have to decide if you're comfortable buying cards that were part of this kind of sub. Speaking personally, I'd never buy a card from anyone who routinely auctions off hordes of freshly graded cards on Ebay where $1000's of dollars have been value-added by PSA, but that's just me.
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Assuming the odds that a truly 'gem mint' card (whatever that means) has about a 15% chance of actually grading a 10, and 20 cards with sequential certs are in PSA 10 holders, then there's less than a .000001% chance that these cards would have received these grades if you or I had simply sent them in. How any particular collector chooses to interpret that fact is up to them. >>
Morning,
And the argument will be that they are requesting a Minimum Grade of 10, that's why they can have a sequesntial lot of 20 cards. Even if that were true wouldn't it be awesome if we could Sub 1,000 or 10,000 cards for a "Looksy", and if they aren't 10 material they are just returned No Cost! Because even if that is the Case, they aren't being charged for the "Looksy", I am sure of that. I've got 100,000 of thousands of 70's/80's Football and Non Sport I would like to be able have get a "Looksy" !! As Boo said this wouldn't happen to his cards or mine!!
Neil
<< <i>I wonder why they seem to only have BVG when PSA are in higher demand/more valuable for everything except modern? >>
PSA EOT = BVG AOK
Would you get blanks in the list of cert numbers, or does PSA assign cert numbers prior to a card going into the grading room?
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
<< <i>What if you submitted 1000 cards and asked that only PSA 10s get slabbed?
Would you get blanks in the list of cert numbers, or does PSA assign cert numbers prior to a card going into the grading room? >>
When I get a card back "Min Grade", it comes with a cert number. Not sure if a high-volume submitter on a "look/see" plan might not work that way.
Without looking at the images themselves, is it possible that these are old slabs from a bygone day when a presecreening might have been possible at a show or something?
EDIT: OK, just went and searched for the auctions. They are recent slabs, but they don't appead to be consecutive certs to me.
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One of the toughest basic Ripken Topps cards is the 1985 Topps base card (#30). For the longest time it had a single-digit Pop, while there were tons of 8s and 9s (currently (278) 8s, (190) 9s, (16) 10s, with a total of 638 submitted). So one day one of the major ebay sellers (higbees.com) had one PSA 10 Ripken for sale on ebay. I was curious so I looked up the cert number, then looked up the surrounding cert numbers. As it turned out, they had FIVE graded PSA 10, all in a row! Not only that, they only had submitted five of those cards, total! So then curiosity really got to me, and as it turned out EVERY cert number, from 16982275 through 16982320 (45 cards) were all graded PSA 10!
They must have had a minimum grade of 10 for that. I just assumed the cert numbers would be skipped for a "min grade no reached", but I guess it makes more sense to cram all of the qualifying cert numbers together.
<< <i>I often wondered about that.
One of the toughest basic Ripken Topps cards is the 1985 Topps base card (#30). For the longest time it had a single-digit Pop, while there were tons of 8s and 9s (currently (278) 8s, (190) 9s, (16) 10s, with a total of 638 submitted). So one day one of the major ebay sellers (higbees.com) had one PSA 10 Ripken for sale on ebay. I was curious so I looked up the cert number, then looked up the surrounding cert numbers. As it turned out, they had FIVE graded PSA 10, all in a row! Not only that, they only had submitted five of those cards, total! So then curiosity really got to me, and as it turned out EVERY cert number, from 16982275 through 16982320 (45 cards) were all graded PSA 10!
They must have had a minimum grade of 10 for that. I just assumed the cert numbers would be skipped for a "min grade no reached", but I guess it makes more sense to cram all of the qualifying cert numbers together.
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I'm dying to know if large submitters on a "MinGrade" plan of some sort work differently, but an average Joe submitter WILL get cert numbers for MinGrades AND Nx: grades. I suspect the cert number is assigned at the time the cards begin the grading process and are used for tracking. It's the only logical way that they can distiniguish each card as it goes through the process.
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<< <i>I often wondered about that.
One of the toughest basic Ripken Topps cards is the 1985 Topps base card (#30). For the longest time it had a single-digit Pop, while there were tons of 8s and 9s (currently (278) 8s, (190) 9s, (16) 10s, with a total of 638 submitted). So one day one of the major ebay sellers (higbees.com) had one PSA 10 Ripken for sale on ebay. I was curious so I looked up the cert number, then looked up the surrounding cert numbers. As it turned out, they had FIVE graded PSA 10, all in a row! Not only that, they only had submitted five of those cards, total! So then curiosity really got to me, and as it turned out EVERY cert number, from 16982275 through 16982320 (45 cards) were all graded PSA 10!
They must have had a minimum grade of 10 for that. I just assumed the cert numbers would be skipped for a "min grade no reached", but I guess it makes more sense to cram all of the qualifying cert numbers together.
I'm dying to know if large submitters on a "MinGrade" plan of some sort work differently, but an average Joe submitter WILL get cert numbers for MinGrades AND Nx: grades. I suspect the cert number is assigned at the time the cards begin the grading process and are used for tracking. It's the only logical way that they can distiniguish each card as it goes through the process. >>
OK, somebody help me please. I thought min grades could only be requested on cross-overs for cards in a slab of another TPG. If you're allowed to submit and request a minimum grade, why wouldn't everyone do it 100% of the time? Is it because only the large submitters get the price break if the minimum grade is not reached?
~WalterSobchak
<< <i>I often wondered about that.
One of the toughest basic Ripken Topps cards is the 1985 Topps base card (#30). For the longest time it had a single-digit Pop, while there were tons of 8s and 9s (currently (278) 8s, (190) 9s, (16) 10s, with a total of 638 submitted). So one day one of the major ebay sellers (higbees.com) had one PSA 10 Ripken for sale on ebay. I was curious so I looked up the cert number, then looked up the surrounding cert numbers. As it turned out, they had FIVE graded PSA 10, all in a row! Not only that, they only had submitted five of those cards, total! So then curiosity really got to me, and as it turned out EVERY cert number, from 16982275 through 16982320 (45 cards) were all graded PSA 10!
They must have had a minimum grade of 10 for that. I just assumed the cert numbers would be skipped for a "min grade no reached", but I guess it makes more sense to cram all of the qualifying cert numbers together.
I'm dying to know if large submitters on a "MinGrade" plan of some sort work differently, but an average Joe submitter WILL get cert numbers for MinGrades AND Nx: grades. I suspect the cert number is assigned at the time the cards begin the grading process and are used for tracking. It's the only logical way that they can distiniguish each card as it goes through the process.
OK, somebody help me please. I thought min grades could only be requested on cross-overs for cards in a slab of another TPG. If you're allowed to submit and request a minimum grade, why wouldn't everyone do it 100% of the time? Is it because only the large submitters get the price break if the minimum grade is not reached? >>
Anyone is allowed to sub with the MinGrade designation. Why some don't is a matter of opinion: I generally do as I'm building a high-grade set, but the downside is that if I send a card in with a min of '8' and it fails, I don't know if it's just a '7.5' or if I missed a defect.
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<< <i>As much as I don't like getting 8s or lower, I like getting them back. They are very useful for study. >>
If they do not meet min grade and are not slabbed, do you still pay the full grading fee?
<< <i>As much as I don't like getting 8s or lower, I like getting them back. They are very useful for study. >>
I'm starting to lean back that way. My last couple of subs had a few head-scratchers that I wish had a grade so I could see what I missed.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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<< <i>As much as I don't like getting 8s or lower, I like getting them back. They are very useful for study. >>
If they do not meet min grade and are not slabbed, do you still pay the full grading fee? >>
Yep. I only use it on commons that aren't worth having in a lower-grade holder.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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<< <i>As much as I don't like getting 8s or lower, I like getting them back. They are very useful for study. >>
If they do not meet min grade and are not slabbed, do you still pay the full grading fee? >>
Yep. I only use it on commons that aren't worth having in a lower-grade holder. >>
Thanks for the info! In that case, I don't see why anyone would use the min grade.
<< <i>In fairness to the submitter (and to PSA), I just checked about 20 certs around the Seaver. Mostly 10's, a few 9's, and quite a few of what appear to be cards that kicked back. So, it isn't 20 consecutive PSA 10's. >>
Do cards that fail to meet a min grade receive a certification number?
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<< <i>In fairness to the submitter (and to PSA), I just checked about 20 certs around the Seaver. Mostly 10's, a few 9's, and quite a few of what appear to be cards that kicked back. So, it isn't 20 consecutive PSA 10's. >>
Do cards that fail to meet a min grade receive a certification number? >>
Yes.
I concur with whoever said that the likelihood of 20 consecutive cert numbers at PSA 10 is VERY, VERY REMOTE.
Dave
<< <i>I concur with whoever said that the likelihood of 20 consecutive cert numbers at PSA 10 is VERY, VERY REMOTE. >>
You might want to check certs 16982275 through 16982320 then.
that is identical to the old opc factory. There are guys in northern Washington, and southern Vancouver that have it as well.
Many of his cards are impossible to find that centered and in that perfect condition. Those that don't pass PSA a few times,
probably get sent to Beckett.
Great cards. I've bought from him, and he's a great seller.