Do these autographs look real?
RMac
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These autographs are all comming up at an auction house near me and they're all "authenticated" by the same company: The Academy of Manuscript and Autograph. Never heard of them and the fact they cert'd all the autographs seems kind of fishy so I thought I'd get some opinions on here. Here are the photos...
Lou Gehrig
(I think the Tinker and Evers are stamped)
Roberto Clemente
Ty Cobb
Babe Ruth & Kiki Cuyler
Lou Gehrig
(I think the Tinker and Evers are stamped)
Roberto Clemente
Ty Cobb
Babe Ruth & Kiki Cuyler
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<< <i>Make sure to check all the players were alive for all the bills signed at a minimum... Sounds like you won't be bidding though. >>
Yeah, I did that. The Gehrig is on a 1928 bill and he died in 1941, the Clemente is on a 1957 bill and he died in 1972, and the Cobb is on a 1928 bill and he died in 1961. So that all checked out. Still, after comparing them, and no opinions on here (I don't think anyone will be saying they're real) I think I'm just going to stay away. Thanks!
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<< <i>Make sure to check all the players were alive for all the bills signed at a minimum... Sounds like you won't be bidding though. >>
Yeah, I did that. The Gehrig is on a 1928 bill and he died in 1941, the Clemente is on a 1957 bill and he died in 1972, and the Cobb is on a 1928 bill and he died in 1961. So that all checked out. Still, after comparing them, and no opinions on here (I don't think anyone will be saying they're real) I think I'm just going to stay away. Thanks! >>
You actually need to check who the Sec of Treasury was on the bills not the dates. Those dates don't actually mean they were printed in that year. There was a thread about this on net54 with a signed Ruth bill. I think the bill was something like 1943 but the sec of Treasury signature was of a guy who didn't serve in that position until after Ruth's date in 1948.
Ironically, the person trying to sell that bad Ruth also uses this autograph authentication company. Do you mind if I ask what state the auction is located in?
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<< <i>Make sure to check all the players were alive for all the bills signed at a minimum... Sounds like you won't be bidding though. >>
Yeah, I did that. The Gehrig is on a 1928 bill and he died in 1941, the Clemente is on a 1957 bill and he died in 1972, and the Cobb is on a 1928 bill and he died in 1961. So that all checked out. Still, after comparing them, and no opinions on here (I don't think anyone will be saying they're real) I think I'm just going to stay away. Thanks! >>
You actually need to check who the Sec of Treasury was on the bills not the dates. Those dates don't actually mean they were printed in that year. There was a thread about this on net54 with a signed Ruth bill. I think the bill was something like 1943 but the sec of Treasury signature was of a guy who didn't serve in that position until after Ruth's date in 1948.
Ironically, the person trying to sell that bad Ruth also uses this autograph authentication company. Do you mind if I ask what state the auction is located in? >>
Thanks for the information, I'll have to double check them then. The auction house is in Illinois. Again thanks for the info!
<< <i>Did players sign a lot of dollar bills in the day? >>
I would think not many people walked around with a BB to get signed back in the day. Sigs look good to me.
IMF
<< <i>You actually need to check who the Sec of Treasury was on the bills not the dates. Those dates don't actually mean they were printed in that year. There was a thread about this on net54 with a signed Ruth bill. I think the bill was something like 1943 but the sec of Treasury signature was of a guy who didn't serve in that position until after Ruth's date in 1948.
Ironically, the person trying to sell that bad Ruth also uses this autograph authentication company. Do you mind if I ask what state the auction is located in? >>
Just did the research, and they all check out...
<< <i>I may have a difference of opinion than most but I actually did not like a single signature... some worse than others. For example, look how shaky the Evers signature is. Tinkers and Evers also signed in the same pen (which also seems to be the same penned used for a few other signatures). >>
I actually thought the Tinker & Evers might be stamped. The way the "C"s in "Chicago" & "Cubs" bled in make it look like a stamp to me. And if they are, I'm sure the whole thing is stamped. Also when comparing the Cobb, I couldn't find any where he tailed up with the "y" in "Ty", just went straight down. The others are hard to tell. Thanks for your input!
Gehrig - I don't like the first one, especially since it's been cut out of a document. The 2nd one has a chance. The bill I don't think is good.
The Tinker and Evers I have problems with, notably traceovers in both signatures. I could see one, but not mutiples on one piece.
The first Clemente has potential, the 2nd one appears to me to be a stamp
The Cobb looks like it might have been traced.
The last piece I am really skeptical on, wish I could see the rest but might be the work of a well-known forger named Ron Dross, as might be the first Gehrig. I'll bet that 90% of those doing authentications these days have no idea who that is/was.
If you are buying for resale, and you plan on having PSA or JSA look at these, really you are playing a sort of lottery. So out the bunch, I think two have a chance to pass, the 2nd Gehrig and the 1st Clemente. I wouldn't go overboard on the purchase but if you end up spending the value of one of those guys on the lot and even one comes back good, you've done well.
Good luck.
PS. I have no knowledge of AMA as an authenticator, but frankly, I've never heard of them or the principal, Joseph de Varona.