No. .273 Avg and No gold gloves. I know those aren't the only measures, but when I think of Jorge, I don't think of him as even the best catcher during his time--defensive or offensive.
His accomplishments sort of remind me of Lance Parrish less the rings. I don't even think Parrish is on the ballot anymore.
Good points Thunderdan, but when you measure Posada only against other HOF catchers, you can make a strong case for him. Not a slam dunk case, but it'll be interesting to see how the writers vote.
<< <i>His accomplishments sort of remind me of Lance Parrish less the rings. I don't even think Parrish is on the ballot anymore. >>
Lance Parrish was vastly superior to Jorge Posada until he got hurt (mid-1986). From 1982-mid 86, Parrish was the best catcher in baseball. 3 Gold Gloves and big offensive numbers. Posada was never on that level.
Thanks 70ToppsFanatic. I don't remember reading anything about Mr. Posada hitting four home runs in a game. In fact I can think of only one player who has accomplished that feat who's not in the HOF. His last name begins with HODGES. But I could be wrong......
Id be surprised if Jorge breaks 10-12% of the vote. Not even close to HOF worthy.
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Actually more players are NOT in the Hall that hit 4 hr's in a game. Granted a few are not yet eligible. The list includes Colavito, Adcok, Horner and Hodges. Delgado. Cameron, S. Green and Mark Whiten.
Doog, what catchers already in the HOF over the last 50 years or so would you compare Posada to? Bench, Fisk, Berra, Campy, Piazza (will be 1st ballot next year)? Posada pales in comparison against all of those guys.
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If a Yankee catcher is to be elected to the HOF, it should be Thurman Munson!
As RoY, MVP, lifetime .292 (well over .300 in the playoffs), 3 GGs, tons of AS appearances over 9 full seasons (and 2 partial) Munson's. One day the veterans committee will see its way to electing him.
Okay, I said I could be wrong and as usual I was. To me, Colavito, Adcok and Hodges are more worthy of HOF mention than Posada. Horner I'm not so sure. But then, I'm old school. I wonder if Hodges, Colavito and Adcok had played their full careers with the Yankees, would they be in the HOF, and furthermore if Posada had played his full career with say the Seattle Mariners, Kansas City Royals or any smaller market team, would we even be having this discussion?
Posada was a leader, an all-around good guy, a team player and a solid offensive catcher (defensively he was not the guy you wanted behind the plate when there was a base-stealing threat on base). His offensive production was solid, and in post-season he was often clutch. He'll probably get in the HOF one day, along with the other 3 he came up with (Jeter, Rivera and Petitte), but it won't be because he was an All-Time Great. He wasn't.
<< <i>Doog, what catchers already in the HOF over the last 50 years or so would you compare Posada to? Bench, Fisk, Berra, Campy, Piazza (will be 1st ballot next year)? Posada pales in comparison against all of those guys. >>
Hey grote, I agree Posada isn't quite in those HOFers league. Compare him to a Gary Carter, and I think he is. As I said, I don't think Posada is a slam dunk, but I think you might be surprised at the percentage vote he gets.
Jeter and Rivera wil be in first ballot, unless some steroid issue comes up in the next few years. Petitte, maybe on his playoff record, but to me... not. Almost like saying Podres should be in. I think the term All-Time great is being diminished. To me All-Time greats brings to mind Ruth, Cobb, Hornsby, Musial Williams, Mays, Mantle....Posada, Petitte.....just don't seem right.
<< <i>Okay, I said I could be wrong and as usual I was. To me, Colavito, Adcok and Hodges are more worthy of HOF mention than Posada. Horner I'm not so sure. But then, I'm old school. I wonder if Hodges, Colavito and Adcok had played their full careers with the Yankees, would they be in the HOF, and furthermore if Posada had played his full career with say the Seattle Mariners, Kansas City Royals or any smaller market team, would we even be having this discussion? >>
< Doog, what catchers already in the HOF over the last 50 years or so would you compare Posada to? Bench, Fisk, Berra, Campy, Piazza (will be 1st ballot next year)? Posada pales in comparison against all of those guys. >>
Hey grote, I agree Posada isn't quite in those HOFers league. Compare him to a Gary Carter, and I think he is. As I said, I don't think Posada is a slam dunk, but I think you might be surprised at the percentage vote he gets.
Carter is a borderline HOFer, imo, and offensively, I'd say you have an argument there, though Carter's stats were weakened because he played about 3 seasons too long. Defensively, though, Carter is far superior to Posada, so overall I'd give Carter the clear edge.
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<< <i>Thanks 70ToppsFanatic. I don't remember reading anything about Mr. Posada hitting four home runs in a game. In fact I can think of only one player who has accomplished that feat who's not in the HOF. His last name begins with HODGES. But I could be wrong...... >>
And Mike Cameron, once he's eligible.
Cameron almost hit 5 - he hit a deep fly to right that was caught right at the fence. Another 2 feet and he'd have had 5 HRs.
Posada is not a HOFer. Jorge's offensive stats just don't compare. When you remove the 176 games he played as a DH, he is really short when compared to other catchers.
Munson is not a HOFer. His death was a tragedy and we will never really know what he could have accomplished had he lived. But, when you look at his stats for his last 2-3 years you have to realize he was near the end of his career already. Offensively at least he was no longer an all-star catcher. To assume he would have played 5-6 more years and put up average career stats for those years is a real stretch.
Bernie Williams is not a HOFer. Nice player on great teams. You can't let everybody in. Otherwise, what's the point? It becomes like youth sports. Everybody on the Yankees gets a HOF plaque? Put Bernie Williams on the Padres and tell me how many votes he gets last year? 1 and done.
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His accomplishments sort of remind me of Lance Parrish less the rings. I don't even think Parrish is on the ballot anymore.
An interesting read on if Joe Torre actually cost Jorge Posada his chance at the HOF.
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<< <i>His accomplishments sort of remind me of Lance Parrish less the rings. I don't even think Parrish is on the ballot anymore. >>
Lance Parrish was vastly superior to Jorge Posada until he got hurt (mid-1986). From 1982-mid 86, Parrish was the best catcher in baseball. 3 Gold Gloves and big offensive numbers. Posada was never on that level.
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That said, I suspect that he will get in but it will take many years...
Erik
<< <i>No way. If Gil Hodges isn't in the HOF, how in the world can this guy even be considered. He's a nice guy....but not HOF material. >>
+1
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Actually more players are NOT in the Hall that hit 4 hr's in a game. Granted a few are not yet eligible. The list includes Colavito, Adcok, Horner and Hodges. Delgado. Cameron, S. Green and Mark Whiten.
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As RoY, MVP, lifetime .292 (well over .300 in the playoffs), 3 GGs, tons of AS appearances over 9 full seasons (and 2 partial) Munson's. One day the veterans committee will see its
way to electing him.
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when there was a base-stealing threat on base). His offensive production was solid, and in post-season he was often clutch. He'll probably get in the HOF
one day, along with the other 3 he came up with (Jeter, Rivera and Petitte), but it won't be because he was an All-Time Great. He wasn't.
And I'm an old-school guy too.
Dave
<< <i>Doog, what catchers already in the HOF over the last 50 years or so would you compare Posada to? Bench, Fisk, Berra, Campy, Piazza (will be 1st ballot next year)? Posada pales in comparison against all of those guys. >>
Hey grote, I agree Posada isn't quite in those HOFers league. Compare him to a Gary Carter, and I think he is. As I said, I don't think Posada is a slam dunk, but I think you might be surprised at the percentage vote he gets.
<< <i>Okay, I said I could be wrong and as usual I was. To me, Colavito, Adcok and Hodges are more worthy of HOF mention than Posada. Horner I'm not so sure. But then, I'm old school. I wonder if Hodges, Colavito and Adcok had played their full careers with the Yankees, would they be in the HOF, and furthermore if Posada had played his full career with say the Seattle Mariners, Kansas City Royals or any smaller market team, would we even be having this discussion? >>
No discussion if he was a Royal.
4 hr's in a game and not made the Hall.
Steve
but one of them hit the most home runs during the 50's
the other was second.
And only one is in the Hall of Fame.
<< <i>One last point, and I'm not sure if it was he or Snider
but one of them hit the most home runs during the 50's
the other was second.
And only one is in the Hall of Fame.
Snider hit 326 HRs from 1950-1959
Hodges had 310 during the same period
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Hey grote, I agree Posada isn't quite in those HOFers league. Compare him to a Gary Carter, and I think he is. As I said, I don't think Posada is a slam dunk, but I think you might be surprised at the percentage vote he gets.
Carter is a borderline HOFer, imo, and offensively, I'd say you have an argument there, though Carter's stats were weakened because he played about 3 seasons too long. Defensively, though, Carter is far superior to Posada, so overall I'd give Carter the clear edge.
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<< <i>The sports talk guys forum will know. >>
Really psychump? Can you go see what they think and get back with us?
<< <i>Thanks 70ToppsFanatic. I don't remember reading anything about Mr. Posada hitting four home runs in a game. In fact I can think of only one player who has accomplished that feat who's not in the HOF. His last name begins with HODGES. But I could be wrong...... >>
And Mike Cameron, once he's eligible.
Cameron almost hit 5 - he hit a deep fly to right that was caught right at the fence. Another 2 feet and he'd have had 5 HRs.
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Munson is not a HOFer. His death was a tragedy and we will never really know what he could have accomplished had he lived. But, when you look at his stats for his last 2-3 years you have to realize he was near the end of his career already. Offensively at least he was no longer an all-star catcher. To assume he would have played 5-6 more years and put up average career stats for those years is a real stretch.
Bernie Williams is not a HOFer. Nice player on great teams. You can't let everybody in. Otherwise, what's the point? It becomes like youth sports. Everybody on the Yankees gets a HOF plaque? Put Bernie Williams on the Padres and tell me how many votes he gets last year? 1 and done.
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