Is SGC well regarded today?

MattyC · November 27, 2011 1:31PM

I'm considering a whale card for me in an SGC slab. To date I've only purchased PSA holdered cards. Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.

Best,

Matt

OAKESY25 · November 27, 2011 1:38PM

yes, they are # 2 for me

Brick · November 27, 2011 1:41PM

First class. Equal in grading capabilities. Their cards generally sell for a little less than PSA except for a few issues.

Probstein123 · November 27, 2011 1:45PM

pretty sure this data is accurate..they handle around 10% of the slabbed card market....
well regarded for pre WWII ... prices trail PSA...but still well regarded...

fkw · November 27, 2011 1:45PM

lol you need to get out more

For PreWar and extremely high end rare cards, they are the best grading company out there, by far!

Far less bonehead errors in IDing cards than the grading company you say you use
not to mention a far better slab in both protection and eye appeal

is this a serious question, its not even April yet ???

PS.
I wouldnt say they trail PSA in prices realized

these 4 big T206 cards are worth a fraction of a % of what they would be worth in a SGC slab .....for some strange reason

MattyC · November 27, 2011 1:52PM

Appreciate the quick feedback; glad to hear they have a solid brand. I had heard they were legit in pre-war, but I am only into post-war star cards, unopened material, and a few PSA Registry sets, so have had little exposure to them.

bobbyw8469 · November 27, 2011 1:56PM

They used to be solid in the past. Not sure about today. Their cards appear to be accurately graded. Sell for a fraction of what PSA does, unless the card is really rare, or a star card. That is my two cents on SGC - to each his own.

fkw · November 27, 2011 2:08PM

Hmmmmmm I wonder why PSA sells for more on some cards???

I'll leave this alone now.. sometimes I forget who owns this message board

no need to break out the 3 dozen+ other major goofs I have images of.....

70ToppsFanatic · November 27, 2011 2:23PM

Their grading standards on postwar cards seem to be a little
less stringent than PSA in my experience. They don't have
the dreaded MINSIZEREQ nor have I seen any MISCUT grades
from SGC.

I sent them a Koufax RC that PSA said was trimmed and they
sent it back to me as an 80! I have a 1962 Gibson that they
spanned as a 92 and PSA would not cross it over due to
MINSIZEREQ. Many more examples I could cite. In general
I think they're equally inconsistent as PSA can be.

In terms of prices realized, they tend to lag PSA cards on postwar
cards. Lastly, every listing for an SGC card I see on eBay always
has "= PSA n" (the equivalent) included while no PSA listing
compares itself to SGC. I think that speaks volumes regardless
of all else.

My advice is if you really like the card you see in the SGC
holder (postwar cards) and think it meets the grade then
go for it, crack it out and submit it to PSA hoping for the
best.

RonBurgundy · November 27, 2011 2:40PM

I'll show you tomorrow. The ultimate crack out gamble.

Sean1125 · November 27, 2011 5:31PM

70toppsfan...

It doesn't mean that all old slabs show their grading system and no grade (86 92 etc), and make no reference to a numerical grade. hence their 86 nm being a strong 7 and 84 nm being a 7....

I just sold some sgc cards to a guy and had to explain each one to him because he said he thought an 80 was an 8...

nightcrawler · November 27, 2011 6:45PM

SGC is excellent.

jackstraw · November 27, 2011 7:36PM

<< 70toppsfan...

It doesn't mean that all old slabs show their grading system and no grade (86 92 etc), and make no reference to a numerical grade. hence their 86 nm being a strong 7 and 84 nm being a 7....

I just sold some sgc cards to a guy and had to explain each one to him because he said he thought an 80 was an 8... >>

When created it was meant that way to get a collector to think he was getting a superior card but in all truths it wasn't.
It was created long before the internet and shortly after Alan Hager created the slab and 1 to 10 grading scale.
The 1 to 100 and black insert were to avoid royalty's to Hagar but that didn't work in the courts.
Not a fan of the black insert as it always seems its pinching the card?? Hate the label but they are a great company.
Slow but good...

detroitfan2 · November 27, 2011 8:40PM

SGC 60.

-Chaz.

leadoff4 · November 27, 2011 8:56PM

<< I'll show you tomorrow. The ultimate crack out gamble. >>

Looking forward to this...Lemmings R Us(LOL).

bigred1 · November 27, 2011 9:58PM

Seems to me PSA commands a better price, I know I pay more. There will always be mistakes when grading in vast quantities, they are huge. I agree SGC seems more consistent in grading, but most of my cards are PSA. Been to quite a few shows recently and I think the telling factor was the quantity of people submitting at PSA booth compared to those submitting at SGC. Not knocking SGC, but PSA is king and I think alot of it has to with the registry, powerful drug.

70ToppsFanatic · November 27, 2011 11:22PM

<< 70toppsfan...

It doesn't mean that all old slabs show their grading system and no grade (86 92 etc), and make no reference to a numerical grade. hence their 86 nm being a strong 7 and 84 nm being a 7....

I just sold some sgc cards to a guy and had to explain each one to him because he said he thought an 80 was an 8... >>

My post was not about their numerical grading system. The point
was that the vast majority of postwar SGC listings have comparisons
to PSA because the SGC "brand" is just not perceived to be at the same
level as PSA.

Whereas PSA is perceived as the "Coke" of grading, SGC is more of
the "Pepsi" (but with less of a market share in postwar cards).

SGC is probably on par with PSA but perception is reality, and in this case
(postwar) SGC is looked at as the #2 player.

RonBurgundy · November 28, 2011 1:57AM

Anyone have the guts to crack this out and send to PSA for the same grade? Card's a monster.

ThoseBackPages · November 28, 2011 2:00AM

<< Anyone have the guts to crack this out and send to PSA for the same grade? Card's a monster.

>>

oh........my

bobbyw8469 · November 28, 2011 2:14AM

PWCC has some current SGC/BVG cards up for auction that are monsters as well. If they were in PSA slabs, I am sure they would bring more than what they are bringing now!

ndleo · November 28, 2011 2:40AM

I have used SGC in the past and will not use them going forward. Had a bad experience with a submission and that did it for me. I don't trust them anymore.

I use PSA and Beckett depending on the card.

70ToppsFanatic · November 28, 2011 3:44AM

<< Anyone have the guts to crack this out and send to PSA for the same grade? Card's a monster.

>>

If you submit it for a cross-over and say min grade 9 my experience is that you'll get it back in the same SGC
slab. If you crack it out and just send it in it could easily come back as a 9 (if not even a 10).

Perhaps PSA is doing what they can to perpetuate their "superior" perception in the marketplace?

70ToppsFanatic · November 28, 2011 3:49AM

<< IMO, until sellers don't feel the need to mention PSA in the title of their SGC auctions SGC will continue to trail PSA and be regarded as a "wannabe." >>

That's exactly the point! The "...this is the same as a PSA n...." mentality that already exists in the market makes it difficult to put SGC on an equal footing
with PSA, regardless of the quality of the grading they do.

fiveniner · November 28, 2011 4:12AM

SGC IS GOOD BY ME!!!
I have used them in thae past and believe they are just as equal as PSA in standards however PSA uses more advertising and such to lure submitters their way.I never have had a problem with SGC.

gemint · November 28, 2011 4:24AM

<< 

<< Anyone have the guts to crack this out and send to PSA for the same grade? Card's a monster.

>>

If you submit it for a cross-over and say min grade 9 my experience is that you'll get it back in the same SGC
slab. If you crack it out and just send it in it could easily come back as a 9 (if not even a 10).

Perhaps PSA is doing what they can to perpetuate their "superior" perception in the marketplace? >>

I'd be shocked if that card got a 9 again. It's an awesome card but that stain above the Denehy photo alone should be enough to knock it down to an 8 or 7. Having said that, I see SGC and PSA cards that get high grades with a stain on them. Not sure if it's an oversight or if they don't consider that to be a major flaw...I do.

Regarding PSA vs SGC, it all comes down to preference. Can't object to the comments previously made. If you're looking to maximize value and are talking about post-war, then trying to cross it to PSA is your best bet. I've done that on several cards but it's really tough to get PSA to cross them over in the SGC holders. It takes some stones to crack a $200 PSA 9 card and submit to PSA.

Toro · November 28, 2011 4:44AM

Either ones fine with me. PSA has the registry. PSA slabs suck. SGC has nice eye appeal depending on the card. BGS for modern autos.

ddfamf · November 28, 2011 9:32AM

Competition in the marketplace is a very good thing.

SGC is very well regarded.

PSA had the first "registry". It was done very well from the start.

That gave PSA the huge lead in "product" over their competition that they still enjoy today.

Is SGC well regarded today?

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