Update---Grade opinions....1890-O Morgan, revisited.

DoubleEagle59

See my most recent thread of Fri. Oct. 19th.

A recent pick-up...

I'm thinking of submitting it to PCGS.

You think it has a good chance at an ms65?

WTCG

If I owned that coin I would definitely try it a few times. It probably won't work the first time but it's worth a try.

The 1890-O is very tough to make in MS65. I've only made a handful in that grade over the years. The value spread between the grades doesn't reflect how difficult the upgrade is.

AUandAG

Try taking it out of the plastic for better pic taking and viewing. I'd say maybe based on
your current pics but probably not likely. That is if those are roller marks on Miss Lib. If
the marks are on the plastic I'd say you have a pretty good chance of a 65.

bob

DoubleEagle59

<< <i>Try taking it out of the plastic for better pic taking and viewing. I'd say maybe based on
your current pics but probably not likely. That is if those are roller marks on Miss Lib. If
the marks are on the plastic I'd say you have a pretty good chance of a 65.

bob >>



Roller marks are definitely on Miss Liberty, although the angle at which the picture was taken shows them at their 'strongest'.

Wolf359

No chance with that flat strike. Sorry.

TPRC

NO

DennisH

64+ perhaps, but 65 seems like a stretch. Partly because of the strike, partly because of the roller marks, partly because of the vertical-ish scuffs in front of the M and adjacent to the stars, and partly because Bid for a 65 is 8 times that of a 64.

Got to try, though.

DoubleEagle59

From Heritage....all ms65's.

Maybe you're right. Perhaps mine is only an ms64.

roadrunner

It's a date that has to be all there. Too many scuffs in the obv fields for my taste and the strike could be sharper.
Just made it or low end 65's tend to stay in PCGS 64 holders....but you can always try NGC.

roadrunner

DennisH

All four coins are in PCGS-65 holders, but #3 (wow!) and #4 are the only ones I agree with.

GoldenEyeNumismatics

If the picture is accurate, the coin should be able to get into a 65 holder, although it may take a couple tries.

Justlooking

I'd say you've got a good chance. Those Heritage coins are awfully strong 65s. Very high end for the grade.

golfer72

<< <i>I'd say you've got a good chance. Those Heritage coins are awfully strong 65s. Very high end for the grade. >>

Are you serious? The first two are maybe 64, than 63 at best. The bottom two may make 65. I dont know how they grade these things.

coinkat

It is a nice coin- submit and see what happens. It is worth a shot

SpectrumLuster

If the strike had higher relief, the reverse would go 66 all the way. Obverse would get a 65 but seeing how it's such a bland strike, I'd assume they would take a point off for each side and slab it as MS64. The luster does not have 65 qualities.

DoubleEagle59

<< <i>If the strike had higher relief, the reverse would go 66 all the way. Obverse would get a 65 but seeing how it's such a bland strike, I'd assume they would take a point off for each side and slab it as MS64. The luster does not have 65 qualities. >>



Don't most "O" mintmark dollars have this weak strike?

DennisH

Many of them are weakly struck; that's why they don't grade higher than 64. But decently and well-struck O-mint Morgans are out there.

metalmeister

Has a 64 look to it IMHO

Tiny

I'm thinking 64 with 65 just too strong

kerikow

are you sure it is not 1890 with added "o"

DennisH

By the way, your first PCGS MS65 photo is a VAM 10 "Comet" variety. That's a Top 100 coin. MS65 is currently the finest known, too (pop 5/0).

al410

Really nice 64 64+ IMO slight chance at 65
Nice Morgan


AL

DoubleEagle59

Update---

I had it graded by ICCS and currently it's graded as an ms64, but quite often ICCS is conservative with US MS coins.

Anyways, have another go at this one because I just may send it to PCGS for a chance at an ms65, but if the majority thinks it's still a 64, then it'll stay in the ICCS holder.

BustHalfBrian

I think it has a good shot at 65, at least judging by some of those other 65 PCGS examples you included. I must say that the field clarity is very consistent with a 65 grade as well.

90-O is a very tough date to find with even a decent strike, and even with as weak as the strike of your example may be, it is a still better than average.

So, IMHO, the coin is worth submitting. At this point, I'd say it's 60% chance at MS64, 40% chance at MS65. Or maybe they'll slap it with a "plus" grade... who knows! Just submit the darn thing!