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Hi,

1906 Barber half said to be recovered from a Titanic victims body - Weiss Auctions Will post results when I know them. Estimate was $1000-$2000 I believe - condition is not "original" as we know it here, but this is a different context...

Eric

UPDATE: Sold for $3,850 LINK

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  • TURBOTURBO Posts: 494 ✭✭✭
    link inop.
  • ? works for me? It is Phillip Weiss - I am sure many of you know them.

    Eric
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,203 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder if the half dollar was recovered from the body of ""I'm king of the world", Jack Dawson"?

    If so, it should be given to the grandaughter of "Rose".
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't buy the story. The Titanic sank 14 April 1912. The coin was minted in 1906 and appears to be a XF. I just don't see that much wear happening in 6 years of use. But whatever floats someones boat, or sinks it in this case.
  • Hi,

    sank April 15 image

    Eric
  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A good story goes a long way.

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  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,214 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can someone link the coin? I cannot find it.
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  • MrLeeMrLee Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,385 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1,000 - 2,000 and you don't get anything but a picture from the auction catalog to show it was ex-Titanic?


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  • CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do remember seeing a Barber coin in the Titanic traveling exhibit..........
  • Hi,

    Yes, I recall that Barber coin as well. It was either in NY more recently, or in Atlantic City where the "Big Piece" was displayed years - maybe 1998. That was before it was cut into two. I have a strong interest in ocean liners and I have a small bit of the Lusitania wreck in my collection. image


    Eric
  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,743 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't buy the story. The Titanic sank 14 April 1912. The coin was minted in 1906 and appears to be a XF. I just don't see that much wear happening in 6 years of use. But whatever floats someones boat, or sinks it in this case. >>



    The coin appears to me to be only a vf30-35 and cleaned poorly. No reverse pic? I do not like it.. And Barber coins wore down quickly. Certainly 6 years of use or in someones pocket with other coins can wear it down to xf or less. I think a Barber coin or any silver coin can be worn down to xf in 6 months or less.
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm certain others have thought this out more clearly, but it appears to essentially be grave robbing.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,291 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't buy the story. The Titanic sank 14 April 1912. The coin was minted in 1906 and appears to be a XF. I just don't see that much wear happening in 6 years of use. But whatever floats someones boat, or sinks it in this case. >>



    Buy the story---not the coin!

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,291 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm certain others have thought this out more clearly, but it appears to essentially be grave robbing. >>



    No. It's archaeology.image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭✭✭
    John Gill at Encyclopedia Titanica. Reference is made to the US silver he was carrying. He was one the relatively few recovered and identified by the Mackay-Bennett in the following weeks.

    John Gill - Titanic
  • FrankcoinsFrankcoins Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm certain others have thought this out more clearly, but it appears to essentially be grave robbing. >>



    The valuables were given to his widow.
    Frank Provasek - PCGS Authorized Dealer, Life Member ANA, Member TNA. www.frankcoins.com
  • OnlyGoldIsMoneyOnlyGoldIsMoney Posts: 3,372 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'm certain others have thought this out more clearly, but it appears to essentially be grave robbing. >>



    The valuables were given to his widow. >>



    Correct. Standard practice when victims were identified.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,291 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'm certain others have thought this out more clearly, but it appears to essentially be grave robbing. >>



    The valuables were given to his widow. >>



    She must be really old by now---at least 120.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I'm certain others have thought this out more clearly, but it appears to essentially be grave robbing. >>



    The valuables were given to his widow. >>



    Okay, I didn't know that, which changes everything.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • Update: Sold $3,850 Link

    Eric
  • Hi,

    someone posted about this - so here it is. I knew the owner for about 25 years - this auction, near my home, was his estate and swan song. He died on...April 15! Nice guy named Kenny

    Best,
    Eric
  • I post to go along with the data about the Gill 50C Barber:

    PCGS Authenticated Note From Titanic

    SOLD: $39,402.00. Last sold by same auction house 2006 w/o slab for $9,502.15

    BTW, no boilers exploded. Unlike the effects of the recovered dead, no record was made of what survivors had on them, so it would be neat to learn what this was authenticated as. With so much auctioned lately, it could seem each of the 705 survivors had pockets filled with 50 or so items from furniture to plates and and so on.

    LINK (it was done quite right of course!) - Slabbed as "contemporary inscription by.."

    Article: Full article

    Best,
    Eric
  • kevinstangkevinstang Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't buy the story. The Titanic sank 14 April 1912. The coin was minted in 1906 and appears to be a XF. I just don't see that much wear happening in 6 years of use. But whatever floats someones boat, or sinks it in this case. >>



    Silver coins wore alot quicker than the clad coins we are used too nowdays. I purchased a "roll" of quarters that was found during a demolition once - I say roll because the wrapper was long gone but the coins toned overlapping each other like they had been rolled at one time. The roll was a mix of barber and standing liberty- the oldest coin was about 1899 and the newest was 1924- actually there were several 1923 and 1924 coins that looked like MS except for spotty toning and dirt. The best barber coins were the 1915 and 1916 coins in roll that were perhaps VF to XF. I presumed they were lost / misplace around 1924/1925. Many of the other barber coins were only VG to fine. And even one of the standing liberty's was dateless- a type 1 coin in less than 8 years! I am pretty sure it was unsearched as one of the standing liberty coins was a 1921 in XF or better.
  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780


    << <i>

    << <i>I don't buy the story. The Titanic sank 14 April 1912. The coin was minted in 1906 and appears to be a XF. I just don't see that much wear happening in 6 years of use. But whatever floats someones boat, or sinks it in this case. >>



    Silver coins wore alot quicker than the clad coins we are used too nowdays. I purchased a "roll" of quarters that was found during a demolition once - I say roll because the wrapper was long gone but the coins toned overlapping each other like they had been rolled at one time. The roll was a mix of barber and standing liberty- the oldest coin was about 1899 and the newest was 1924- actually there were several 1923 and 1924 coins that looked like MS except for spotty toning and dirt. The best barber coins were the 1915 and 1916 coins in roll that were perhaps VF to XF. I presumed they were lost / misplace around 1924/1925. Many of the other barber coins were only VG to fine. And even one of the standing liberty's was dateless- a type 1 coin in less than 8 years! I am pretty sure it was unsearched as one of the standing liberty coins was a 1921 in XF or better. >>



    Hi,

    I knew the man who owned this coin, Kenny, and he was a great guy, but not an expert in any one field (I once handed him an unpublished photograph of the Titanic's sister the Olympic and he was unable to ID the ship). He had wonderful merchandise in general but you needed to use judgement and deal with his "Not Responsible for Hurt Feelings" sign at his table. And afford his prices. Everyone complained. Everyone now misses him and his prices and merchandise!
    Anyway, I can VERY easily see him scrubbing this with baking soda every time the Transport show came to the Piers in NYC, and he had it for some time. It looked freshly scrubbed when I saw it last. image That is NOT to say I actually think this coin was on the Titanic.

    This Man died on...April 15.

    Best,
    Eric

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