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A truly undervalued CBH- 1821

Most of us who collect this series have lots of choices for the dates we need between 1821 and 1836, either in lower grades, or in MS all the way to gems. They come along often enough in sales, or on websites, that if we are relatively patient, we can find the one that fits our needs.

However, the 1821 is a lot tougher than most would think. And the prices should be higher than any guides would indicate.

In 10 years, I have owned a 63( PCGS) and an NGC 65( sold when it didn't cross). Auction records show only 1 PC 65 has sold, and no 66's( though 3 have been graded(?). And I have been looking for 10 years.

A recent sale showed a PC 63 brought over 5300-- several thousand over a generic 63. The one 65 might bring close to 16,000, if nice.

Similar findings for the 1823 in 65 and 66. Though 3 65's have been graded, only one shows up in auction records. The single 66 is really in strong hands.

TahoeDale

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  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Glad to hear that about the 1821 CBH.

    My first MS CBH was actually my 1821 PC63.

    As for that 1823 in PC66 you mentioned, I wonder what I would have to do to pry those hands open image

    She sure is quite pretty though, don't you think Dale image

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  • Dale,

    Absolutely agree--1821 is an extremely tough year. At least in 64, the pops show fewer in 1821 than 1808, 1811-1814, and 1818-1820 (varieties combined).

    The pricing guides recently reflected a change of '23s from "generic" status-- a welcome adjustment.
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  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin drddm - wow
  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,375 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Nice coin drddm - wow >>



    I wish it was mine hchcoin. It happens to be the lone 1823 CBH MS66 Dale was referring to in his post and belongs to him.

    I would love to buy that one from him someday......(pssst, Dale, are you reading this thread?)


    However, I happen to be very fond of my prooflike 1823 below (Ex. Reed Hawn, David Queller)........

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  • hchcoinhchcoin Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I stand corrected. Double WOW! Love the color on both and someday will own a quarter with the same looks image
  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    Nice examples all around!
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  • Drddm,

    That is one sweet 1823! That should bring 2x-3x of list.

    I'll have to settle for third place with my 1823...but I like her anyways...image

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    P.s--I don't think Dale is selling the 66, unless you can find a 67 to swap it for image
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  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    Dale, I agree with you concerning 1821s, but I still think really nice 1820s are even tougher. TomT.
    TomT-1794

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  • Big Moose,

    Agree that 1820's are also extremely tough; however, the list prices of the 1820's reflect the rarity better than the list prices of '21s.
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  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BigMoose, I happen to agree with you that 1820's are indeed tough, especially nice ones in MS, however I agree with Scoobydeux that the current PCGS prices reflect the rarity much better than the 1821's right now.

    I am also quite fond of my 1820 O-103a MS63 (Ex. McClerg, Queller) below and consider it to be one of my favorite CBH's in my Registry set.

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,892 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful CBH's, Dave. And scoobydeaux. Love them.

    My set is just AU. Here are the the 1820 (AU58), '21 (AU55) and '23 (AU58).
    Lance.

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  • Drddm--super nice '20--much more eye appeal than the few coins in higher grades that show up on occasion.

    lkeigwin--very meaty coins, love the strikes on the '21 and (particularly) on the '23.

    Back to the topic of '21s--here's mine--
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    A bit of a Faustian bargain this one. Not the color that I usually prefer, but finding a decent one in the grade that I wanted was too much to pass up.

    Check out Dale's '21 in 63--I doubt that there are many 63s that get any better. image
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  • BigMooseBigMoose Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭
    scoobydeux, good point about the price guides not reflecting the rarity of 1821s as opposed to the 1820s---and I think that is what Dale was getting at in his post. TomT.
    TomT-1794

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  • drddmdrddm Posts: 5,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice 1820, 1821, and 1823 Lance, love the super strike on the 1823. Your 1823 happens to also be the O-106a like mine, and in the same grade of 58. I still think mine is undergraded and should easily be at least a 62 if not a 63, JMHO.

    Great looking 1821 Scoobydeux. I've always wondered who owned that one.

    Here is my 1821 in 63. Although I can honestly say it looks a bit nicer in hand as compared to the true view, I agree with Scoobydeux that they don't come much nicer than Dale's 1821 posted above.

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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Nice coin drddm - wow >>



    I wish it was mine hchcoin. It happens to be the lone 1823 CBH MS66 Dale was referring to in his post and belongs to him.

    I would love to buy that one from him someday......(pssst, Dale, are you reading this thread?)


    However, I happen to be very fond of my prooflike 1823 below (Ex. Reed Hawn, David Queller)........

    image >>



    Here's my 1823 'doubled' lady.....she has no bold colors....just the way RickO loves 'em!!!! image

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  • LVGTLVGT Posts: 503
    Now these are some great coins.
  • Gold bully,

    Love the doubling on your 1823. Toned or notimage
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  • ChangeInHistoryChangeInHistory Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great images, great coins
  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,504 ✭✭✭✭✭
    way cool coin all. i love that ms 66 1823 drddm.. absolutly wonderful image

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