My 1837 One Cent Feuchtwanger Secure Plus grade is inTrueView posted

coinsarefun · October 14, 2011 4:06AM

20806520 20001 1837 1C Feuchtwanger US MS63

IMO it should have been at least a MS64, but who am I to say

Its very well struck, better than any I have seen.

Trueviews should show up later today.

My image

Its a nice image but makes the high points on the obverse look like rub marks but they are the areas that are not toned

So, here it it............

For those who want to see the HUGE image

STONE · October 14, 2011 4:10AM

Is this coin slightly clipped, or show evidence of a weak "clip" on the reverse at 11 o'clock?

Congrats on a VERY nice MS-63 Feuchtwanger

coinsarefun · October 14, 2011 4:12AM

<< Is this coin slightly clipped, or show evidence of a weak "clip" on the reverse at 11 o'clock?

Congrats on a VERY nice MS-63 Feuchtwanger

>>

Yes, it does have a small clip, which I think ads character

BaseballAbs · October 14, 2011 4:15AM

Looks like it has some nice color to it. I agree very well struck, best that I have seen on a Feuchtwanger.

ambro51 · October 14, 2011 5:04AM

....and I know it looks like a great coin but Ill bet you gave a huge sigh of relief that it didnt come back questionable color.

Theyre not too familar with those things there, ya know...

I agree 64 would be better since it seems spotting that limits grades is not on your coin.

coinsarefun · October 14, 2011 5:09AM

<< ....and I know it looks like a great coin but Ill bet you gave a huge sigh of relief that it didnt come back questionable color.

Theyre not too familar with those things there, ya know...

I agree 64 would be better since it seems spotting that limits grades is not on your coin. >>

I myself knew it was natural but yes you are right I was holding my breath on whether or not they would AT it.
That's another reason I paid extra for Secure Plus.

But I still don't understand why 63?

Great strike
Nice toning
No planet flaws or staining that plagues these tokens.
Has luster, but deep because of the toning.

stealer · October 14, 2011 5:10AM

<< 
No planet flaws or staining that plagues these tokens. >>

Then what is going on at 11 o'clock on the reverse?

coinsarefun · October 14, 2011 5:13AM

<< 

<< 
No planet flaws or staining that plagues these tokens. >>

Then what is going on at 11 o'clock on the reverse?

>>

It is a clip, so it's really an error but maybe held back the number grade?
Maybe should have paid the extra to have it labeled an error

Btw, sorry about the typo.....planchet flaw, not planet

ambro51 · October 14, 2011 5:15AM

Heres my PCGS MS63 specimen, this is variety 2A. Its not toned, but is pewetery sheen. While it made the grade with pcgs it did NOT sticker with CAC, JA mentioned the breast feathers not filled out.

This one, the graders havent seen yet. JA said it was MS. Its the plate coin for the feuchtwanger currency in 100 greatest american medals and tokens, ex. Qdb. variety 4E I personally think it has claims to 'finest known'.

coinsarefun · October 14, 2011 5:27AM

That's what I am trying to say.......the breast feathers are fully struck.

I wish I knew the reason for a lower grade......could the minor clip actualy
lower it by one point?
And the reverse is also well struck.

Ambro51............that plate coin is a MONSTER

unbrok3n · October 14, 2011 5:31AM

I still think it is beautiful, especially that color on the obverse.
The feathers are better struck than on the 64 you sold me

Sorry it wasn't as high as you hoped

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coinsarefun · October 14, 2011 5:44AM

<< I love this specimen, I don't care what the graders graded it and why, if you think it is an ms64, then it is. The eye appeal alone is incredible. I won't try to grade it since I don't know the series but I am one who appreciates the toning, deep luster and this one's strike. I ti sperfect to me, and the clip adss even more character, as far as I am concerned where it might not make the finest known grade wise it sure seems like it good be a candidate for finest known eye appeal wise. Congrads once again, I am sure ambro51 is very jealous

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Thanks Realone

I too feel this is the best eye appealing one I have seen. The strike and coin speaks for itself.
This one will be a keeper as I have never seen a toned one this nice yet

mr1931S · October 14, 2011 5:52AM

JA mentioned the breast feathers not filled out.

i don't see any breast feathers to fill out because the view of the eagle on the Feuchtwanger is a side view?

ambro51 · October 14, 2011 5:59AM

....well whatever you call it. the bird looks more like bee or a dinosaur anyway.

NewEnglandRarities · October 14, 2011 6:06AM

Very nice piece Coinsarefun! I really enjoy pieces like this and I have to say that is one of the only examples I have ever seen with that toning. I agree that it is natural and I personally don't think it matters if it is in a AU58 or a MS65 holder, someone will always want to acquire that coin from you wherever/whenever you show it off.

I do agree with you though, that from the detail I see, MS64 would certainly be justified.

Congrats!

GFourDriver · October 14, 2011 6:31AM

I love it Stef.

John

coinsarefun · October 14, 2011 8:39AM

<< Very nice piece Coinsarefun! I really enjoy pieces like this and I have to say that is one of the only examples I have ever seen with that toning. I agree that it is natural and I personally don't think it matters if it is in a AU58 or a MS65 holder, someone will always want to acquire that coin from you wherever/whenever you show it off.

I do agree with you though, that from the detail I see, MS64 would certainly be justified.

Congrats! >>

Thanks, if you ever see another toned one.....please let me know

Swampboy · October 14, 2011 8:41AM

Can't wait to see the Trueview Stef.

I found my new desktop theme.

Moldnut · October 14, 2011 10:03AM

I agree with Realone here. Who gives two chits what the holder says, thats a lights out coin. Congrats on finding it.

ambro51 · October 14, 2011 10:47AM

So youre saying that you feel the Secure Plus was a better option in the regard that you felt they would consider the toning and coin with 'more care'?

coinsarefun · October 14, 2011 10:52AM

<< So youre saying that you feel the Secure Plus was a better option in the regard that you felt they would consider the toning and coin with 'more care'? >>

I will assume that question was directed to me, so I will answer.

I submitted under Secure Plus because I felt there may be an issue in regards to the toning.

I don't quite understand what your are getting at???......"more care"?

Please help me understand your question.

smokincoin · October 14, 2011 11:00AM

<< I agree with Realone here. Who gives two chits what the holder says, thats a lights out coin. Congrats on finding it. >>

I agree with Moldnut, who agrees with Realone!

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coinsarefun · October 14, 2011 11:31AM

<< Sreph,
in my collection I write notes on little rectangular stickers and place them on the rear of the coin. On yours I would confidently write, natural toning, original surfaces, great luster, fantastic eye appeal, most likely finest know for the die marrriage not necessarily highest graded...ms64+. Another reason I would give such a lofty grade is because lets not forget you are really comparing this specimen to what else is out there, it isn't alone in a vaccum. Since Ambro51 has been showing these cool coins off I have never seen a gorgeously toned highly struck and lusterous example as this one. So in my head this is the creme de la creme and should be given an ms64+ because what else is there to compare it to....a drab white or grey example....boring. >>

Thanks for the very nice comment

Lakesammman · October 14, 2011 11:51AM

I like it alot - thanks for sharing it!

coinsarefun · October 14, 2011 1:03PM

TrueView posted

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LotsoLuck · October 14, 2011 1:12PM

Wow!

Swampboy · October 15, 2011 12:12AM

Beautiful image but I have to say your image is almost, if not just as, good as the Trueview Stef.
Can't wait for the roll out of the Stefview Service.

TPRC · October 15, 2011 12:19AM

Certainly a beautiful feuchtwanger. The clip detracts just a small bit but I would not think it impacts grade at all. The color is simply beautiful and does impact eye appeal and grade, in a positive sense, for me. I don't see many feuchtwangers with color and this may be the nicest I've seen. I could not begin to offer a reasonable grade opinion without seeing this coin in hand. But, as others have indicated, I don't think a 63 or a 64 makes one bit of difference, since the value of this coin is in its color, IMO. I do think it is pretty well struck. Congrats!

Coinerww2 · October 15, 2011 12:59AM

Wow that true view is amazing!

DorkGirl · October 15, 2011 1:46AM

LanceNewmanOCC · October 15, 2011 3:25AM

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very nice CAF

with that making it into a shield, one would figure it would be 64 to 64+ with the wonderful eye appeal

a nice 63 nonetheless
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messydesk · October 15, 2011 3:44AM

Nice Feuchtwanger, and I prefer Stef's photo to the TrueView, as the TV seems a little dark for my taste. As for grade, if the minor clip makes it less desirable, then it may have been "market graded" 63. The thing is, the grade really doesn't matter much in the context of premiums paid for vibrant toning.

fcloud · October 15, 2011 3:48AM

63 or 64 on that coin it doesn't matter. I would just simply say gorgeous!

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TPRC · October 15, 2011 4:29AM

I agree, it can be confusing. For me, I ask myself whether I would prefer the coin with or without the clip or whether there is no difference. I also ask myself whether a dealer would pay more with or without the clip. For early type, the answer is usually that the coin is more desirable without the clip. I have an au 1806 half cent with a small clip like this that I believe is less valuable with a small clip. The feuchtwanger is a little different in that it is not really early type (more like civil war era, at least this variety.) In addition, I haven't seen many with clips and I have actively collected feuchtwanger 1 cents by variety for about 15 years. However, given a choice, I would prefer it without the clip. You may disagree and that is your prerogative. It is undoubtedly scarcer than one without the clip. But the coin is undoubtedly choice and desirable for the grade because of the toning. And I think it was a good idea to Secure Plus it.

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morgansforever · October 15, 2011 4:35AM

Nice piece Stefanie. The TrueView is no better than your pic IMHO, nice job.

coinsarefun · October 15, 2011 4:44AM

I guess in the end result I feel that the coin is a minium 64 in grade and a great contender for a 65,but this is my opinion.
The reason I bought this one and sold my higher grade CAC'd one is many fold.

Great strike, if you look at CoinFacts, the 64's imaged are of much weaker strike.

Absolute killer toning, never seen one with color like this.

The clip...ads character....again maybe that's why it was graded a point lower but I have never seen a clip on thease. Maybe they exist but I have yet to see.

No planchet problems such as lamination problems that plague this coin.

Overall fantastic eye appeal, again best I have seen.

Thanks again everyone for the great comments and will certainly be the highlight of my collection.

ambro51 · October 15, 2011 4:50AM

let us know how the coin makes on its tour of Far Hills NJ.

green looks good with german silver.

re. the clip, Ive not seen ano others with clips either. Im sure youll never see it in that pcgs holder, within the gasket.

TheCoinGeezer · October 15, 2011 5:07AM

Here are some Feuchtwangers on eBay.
These coins are far from my collecting path but interest me.
Are there many counterfeits?
If I buy one, should I only get a certified example?
Are the prices listed on eBay fair examples of the prices for these coins?

Myqqy · October 15, 2011 5:12AM

Beautiful coin Stefanie!

I like the clip too- the toning is awesome!

coinsarefun · October 15, 2011 5:18AM

<< Here are some Feuchtwangers on eBay.
These coins are far from my collecting path but interest me.
Are there many counterfeits?
If I buy one, should I only get a certified example?
Are the prices listed on eBay fair examples of the prices for these coins? >>

Check the sold list on eBay also.
Many of thease have varieties that add a rarity to the coin, and they are usually not
indicated on the slab.

Well struck, problem free, nice eye appeal ones go for strong money.

Check out Stacks and Heritage.

I haven't seen that many fakes out there but it doesn't mean there are not any out there
It may have something to do with the composition of the coin? Not sure

TPRC · October 15, 2011 5:20AM

<< Here are some Feuchtwangers on eBay.
These coins are far from my collecting path but interest me.
Are there many counterfeits?
If I buy one, should I only get a certified example?
Are the prices listed on eBay fair examples of the prices for these coins? >>

There are not many counterfeits and the ones that I've seen are very easy to spot (but that will undoubtedly change). Prices are all over the board. The prices on the ebay link look reasonable. If I had to make a gross generalization, I would generalize that vfs are about $100, xfs about $200, AUs are about $300 and Uncs are about $400+. But because this is a hard metal, strike is important and striking imperfections are common. As for ebay, and slabbing, the same rules apply as for all coins except that many feuchtwangers are not slabbed. I don't buy on ebay anymore but I confess I have found many better varieties on ebay over the years.

coinsarefun · October 15, 2011 11:00AM

<< let us know how the coin makes on its tour of Far Hills NJ.

green looks good with german silver.

re. the clip, Ive not seen ano others with clips either. Im sure youll never see it in that pcgs holder, within the gasket. >>

Ok, I finally understand the question after pm'ing Ambro51

Yes, I do plan on having it go on that journey

BillyGoatsGruff · October 16, 2011 12:36AM

Stephanie,

I love that coin! Is it for sale?

coinsarefun · October 16, 2011 4:20AM

<< Stephanie,

I love that coin! Is it for sale?

>>

Thanks, but I think I will keeping this one

yellowkid · October 16, 2011 4:43AM

Stef that has as much eye appeal as any of those I have seen, in any grade. Congrats!!

lordmarcovan · October 16, 2011 11:22PM

Whoa hotdiggety, that's an awesome Feuchtwanger!

My 1837 One Cent Feuchtwanger Secure Plus grade is inTrueView posted

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