David Ortiz would consider a Yankees offer

MCMLVTopps · October 12, 2011 8:24PM

Here we go...says he's tired of the drama and not sure if he wants to be a part of it in 2012. This from an ESPN interview...my gut says he's g-o-n-e.

Ortiz in a Yankee's uniform? THAT will definitely lick the red right off my candy!!!

Garabaldi · October 12, 2011 9:03PM

He is towards the end of a great career with the Sox. He was a great pickup and helped win 2 WS titles. I think we can use the DH position now to give Youk and A-Gon some rest. I f he wanted a 1 year deal I say bring him back, but I am sure he is going to want 3 years.

Barndog · October 12, 2011 9:55PM

the more I read about the lack of commitment by most of the players, the more I say it is time to split the team up in a big way. Prima Donnas with large, guaranteed contracts did not seek to work hard and support one another on or off the field. Blow it up, try again in a few years.

perkdog · October 12, 2011 10:56PM

<< the more I read about the lack of commitment by most of the players, the more I say it is time to split the team up in a big way. Prima Donnas with large, guaranteed contracts did not seek to work hard and support one another on or off the field. Blow it up, try again in a few years. >>

I completely agree, I also bet Ortiz gets jammed up sooner rather than later for juicing up in the DR anyways

MCMLVTopps · October 13, 2011 12:04AM

Gotta agree with Barndog's post. Now that Tito and Theo are gone, perhaps it is time to blow it all up and start over. Sad to read of the "situation" within the team where it has become obvious that not everybody was on the same page. While Ellsbury and Pedroia were busting their asses, others, I guess, thought "the hell with it" and chose to be unprofessional.

Methinks we could be in a for a long dry spell. Look for Ortiz and Papelbon to move on.

markj111 · October 13, 2011 12:48AM

Ortiz has had two nice years after two down ones. He is 35 years old, so I would not want to sign him to a big contract. Clearly he is limited to the AL. I remembered that the Twins released him, but until I looked him up I was unaware that he was the PTBNL in a Mariners-Twins trade.

TheVon · October 13, 2011 1:36AM

I don't think the Red Sox can just let Ortiz walk away though. They still need his bat in the lineup and it's hard to go out and sign a guy with 30 HR/.300 BA potential . . . unless they plan on pursuing Fielder for their full-time DH role. But everything I've read about that idea indicates that it would be a bad move to give Fielder the kind of money he will want just for him to play DH. Also, as someone wisely pointed out, he doesn't exactly do anything for the "conditioning is important" argument that the team will need to emphasize next year.

It kills me to admit this because I love the way the guy plays, but I think if they need to blow up the team and get rid of some of the cancer, it should probably start with Youkilis.

I write this next sentence fully acknowledging that it is a pipe dream and would likely never come to pass, but it would be pretty cool if they traded Youkilis and then pursued Pujols to play 3B. After all, Pujols did play 3B in 7 games this year (started 4 of them) so it's not totally foreign to him.

jdip9 · October 13, 2011 1:54AM

I doubt the Yankees want Ortiz, although he would be a great fit for that park. They already have enough guys that they are going to want to rotate through the DH spot (Jeter, A-Rod, Montero).

Ortiz is going to find that there aren't any teams willing to pony up more than $6-$7 mil per season, let alone the $10-$12m he will be looking for. All the contenders have players firmly entrenched in their DH spot...except Tampa Bay, but they are too smart to pay that kind of money for a DH.

TheVon · October 13, 2011 2:03AM

I imagine the Sox will gladly give him $10-$12 a year for the next two seasons; maybe with an option for a 3rd season and call it good. It's definitely time to start planning for his replacement though.

Barndog · October 13, 2011 2:50AM

the Sox do have a fine conditioning program, but Prima Donnas didn't follow it.

Many of us have been part of an awful organizational culture. It's no fun and you can't wait to find another job somewhere else. In organizations like the military, you just can't wait until you get your orders and you can move on to a different unit that has to be better than the one you are now with. I think that's what happened with the Sox. Their culture has gone sour. The fault is everywhere, not just owners, coaches, managers, players, support personnel, NESN, Corporate, etc.., the problem is everyone.

When you have a terrible organizational culture, people just want to LEAVE... even the team players, the folks everyone likes, the folks who perform day in and day out and don't complain and always show support for the organization, its leaders, and their peers. So what I figure is brewing right now is Jacoby Ellsbury is counting his days to free agency. He will give the Sox some great, hard-nosed play for a couple years to keep his stats and value high, then he's gone. Ortiz has a ton of value for another year or two on an AL club. He can get the money from the Sox or take less to go somewhere that has a fun and inviting culture. I think unless the Sox do a 180 organizationally, Ortiz will choose to go. If the Sox wish to change their culture, they will shop Youkilis, Beckett, and Lackey this offseason. Dumping salary will be a side benefit to dumping attitude. If Lester were a couple years older, I think they'd try to dump him too if their effort was to change their culture to one in which members wanted to be there and wanted to excel. As for free agents coming in, it will cost the Sox more than usual to bring someone in to this mess. Same with a manager. The Sox will have to pay way more to fill key slots if they don't fix their organization. Do you think a player wants to come here while knowing that if he has a performance dropoff or other problems that somehow information about his private life and medical history is going to leak out (Nomar, Francoma, Lackey, and there are likely plenty more)? The culture is bad and it needs to change ASAP. Owners need to find a person who can be trusted by players and by owners to do the right thing for the organization and fix the way the Sox do business. Put that person in charge of it all and keep the owners out of baseball decisions. I like the way Texas did it. Sox should use the Rangers as a model.

Anyway, that's what I think. The park is great, but when the organization sours, the fans sour on the organization.

Saberman · October 13, 2011 5:35AM

<< If Lester were a couple years older, I think they'd try to dump him too if their effort was to change their culture to one in which members wanted to be there and wanted to excel. I like the way Texas did it. Sox should use the Rangers as a model.
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So you really think Lester did not want to excel? Era+'s of 144,138,134,122 the last four years IS excelling...no?

So what you are really saying is that he isn't excelling enough, and that he has to lead the league every year. If he really were somebody who has no care of doing well or is quitting...he would not do that well for four years.

So you think replacing him with a pitcher who has an ERA 6.75, but has a 'Rudy' attitude is going to make them better? It is somehow going to make Saltalamacchia hit 45 home runs, or Pedroia hit .390? NOT. Those guys will do what their skill set allows them to do...regardless of who their teammates are.

And why should the Sox use the Rangers model? Did they do as well as Boston the last eight years?

AkbarClone · October 13, 2011 9:32AM

Barndog · October 13, 2011 10:30AM

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<< If Lester were a couple years older, I think they'd try to dump him too if their effort was to change their culture to one in which members wanted to be there and wanted to excel. I like the way Texas did it. Sox should use the Rangers as a model.
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So you really think Lester did not want to excel? Era+'s of 144,138,134,122 the last four years IS excelling...no?

So what you are really saying is that he isn't excelling enough, and that he has to lead the league every year. If he really were somebody who has no care of doing well or is quitting...he would not do that well for four years.

So you think replacing him with a pitcher who has an ERA 6.75, but has a 'Rudy' attitude is going to make them better? It is somehow going to make Saltalamacchia hit 45 home runs, or Pedroia hit .390? NOT. Those guys will do what their skill set allows them to do...regardless of who their teammates are.

And why should the Sox use the Rangers model? Did they do as well as Boston the last eight years? >>

I am saying the culture sucks and to improve it, a commitment to change is required and sometimes that means cutting loose those who perform well. To some fans (me included), it matters who wears the home uniforms. The more I learn about the organization (players, management, owners), the less of a fan and follower I want to be. Integrity and culture matter to me.

perkdog · October 13, 2011 10:49AM

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Kinda looks like an African American version of Babe Ruth

Dboneesq · October 13, 2011 11:18AM

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hahaha. Agree 100 percent

Garabaldi · October 13, 2011 10:56PM

I would offer him arbitration seeing that he is a Type A FA.

xXYankeesFanXx · February 9, 2012 2:00PM

I hope we don't get him. You guys can keep him.

MantleMarisFordBerra · February 9, 2012 10:20PM

<< I hope we don't get him. You guys can keep him. >>

+1

TheVon · February 10, 2012 12:36AM

Why dig up this thread after several months when the Red Sox and Ortiz have already agreed to arbitration which means that one way or another he'll be in a Red Sox uniform this year?

vladguerrero · February 10, 2012 7:51AM

He's not the attraction he used to be, especially post roids, pretty bold statement.

I hope the Yankees sign Vlad for a couple mill incentive laden contract. If not that I hope he signs anywhere, the more pt the better.

Estil · February 11, 2012 4:40AM

How come we never see any Yankees become Red Sox?

Barndog · February 11, 2012 4:56AM

<< How come we never see any Yankees become Red Sox? >>

their contracts end when they are forty five or so...maybe the Sox don't want players that are too old?

Garabaldi · February 11, 2012 7:08AM

Yanks have enough DH's on their team right now.

Probstein123 · February 12, 2012 6:43AM

I don't want him

Dboneesq · February 14, 2012 2:05AM

<< How come we never see any Yankees become Red Sox? >>

Ramiro Mendoza
Rick Cerone
Rickey Henderson
Jim Leyritz
Mike Torrez
David Cone
David Wells
Alfredo Aceves
Mike Lowell
Elston Howard
Dan Baylor
John Olerud
Mike Stanley
Mike Stanton
Danny Cater

Estil · February 14, 2012 3:09AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most (if not all) of those guys in their twilights by the time they became Red Sox? I'm not sure if that really counts...

TheVon · February 14, 2012 3:13AM

Mike Lowell's first 8 major league games were with the Yankees . . . so technically he was a Yankee first, but I'd hazard a guess to say that most Yankee fans wouldn't claim him as one of their own. Marlins fans would seem to have that right.

Dboneesq · February 14, 2012 8:07AM

<< Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't most (if not all) of those guys in their twilights by the time they became Red Sox? I'm not sure if that really counts... >>

But that was not what you stated in your post. Your complete question was:
"How come we never see any Yankees become Red Sox?"

David Ortiz would consider a Yankees offer

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