$3 gold collectors

Tbar

I have problems grading gold. Looking for some feedback on these 2 1855 $3.
Looking for grade opinions based on these raw photos. Coin #1 seems to have more pop in terms of luster.

thanks in advance.

Coin #1




Coin #2

PerryHall

They both look counterfeit. Did you already buy them?

steveben

wow, i am not an expert on these by any means, but these look very suspect to me. the fields look pretty good...but the devices are too smooth. also, look at the F on the obverse on both coins. strange. it almost looks like these were in a mold and not struck to me. but, i could be totally off.

steveben

they both have the same mark on the cheek too. i say fake now for sure. hope you didn't buy them.

Tbar

These are my moms.
Her dad gave them to her about 25 yrs ago.

She grabbed them from her safe deposit box and gave them to me to have a look at.

I don't have my 10x loupe with me but I will have a closer look when I get home.

Like I said, I have zero experience with these.

GoldenEyeNumismatics

They are both counterfeit.

tightbudget

As been said, I think they're both counterfeit.

PerryHall

<< <i>they both have the same mark on the cheek too. i say fake now for sure. hope you didn't buy them. >>



Excellent observation. The original genuine coin that was used to create the false dies had a bag mark at that location which was transfered to the die and then subsequently transfered to the coins struck by the false die. Normally, bag marks on a coin will have a different texture than the surrounding field. If the bag mark has the same texture as the surrounding field and also appears at the same location on multiple coins, that's a good sign that you are looking at a counterfeit.

MFH

... you learn something new every day here.

As I don't collect these $3 Gold coins, and I
only own one [ 1889 - PCGS 63 ] ... I have
not had the experience of handling very many.

From someone with an untrained eye, they look
like nice coins.

mrearlygold

what's in between the i and b in the headrdess?

CoinMiner1

These given as a gift about 25-30 years ago should raise a BIG red flag. The middle east produced many decent quality fake gold coins in the 1960s/70s; this series was especially faked.

LanceNewmanOCC

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they look very suspect to me as well
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Tbar

Well, thanks for saving me the submission fees.

I do not collect gold, and I did not pick up on these being counterfeit.

I don't think my mom will be too disappointed as she didn't have any preconcieved expectations, but it is a bummer none the less.

When I first saw them I was actually pretty excited for her.

PerryHall

<< <i>These given as a gift about 25-30 years ago should raise a BIG red flag. The middle east produced many decent quality fake gold coins in the 1960s/70s; this series was especially faked. >>



At least they used real gold. The counterfeiter knew their product mat be weighed and the diameter measure so they used real gold. Since the numismatic value greatly exceeded the gold value, they could still make a good profit. Both coins together have almost a quarter ounce of gold which is currently valued in excess of $400.