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An extreme strike-through example

EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Here is a Mint State example of a debris strike-through.

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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Neat, I thought it was just the date, then noticed the obverse lettering,etc. Hows this happen?-----BigE
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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, its a repunched date too - S10. Debris got stuck in the dies. It has nowhere to go so the metal doesn't fill the die in those areas.
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    The "1" looks fresh, maybe they were first checking the repunch?---------BigE
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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    that is extereme

    extremely cool!
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    and by far the strongest strike through i've seen yet for an indian
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  • LostSislerLostSisler Posts: 521 ✭✭✭
    I believe that this is a "light strike", sometimes referred to as a test-strike. Notice the feathers are not struck up at their tips? On the other side from them is the wreath.
    Looking at this strike I would say that the hammer die (the die "on top") is the reverse design and the anvil die is the obverse design.
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  • USMoneyloverUSMoneylover Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe that this is a "light strike", sometimes referred to as a test-strike. Notice the feathers are not struck up at their tips? On the other side from them is the wreath.
    Looking at this strike I would say that the hammer die (the die "on top") is the reverse design and the anvil die is the obverse design. >>



    Gonna have to disagree here, It doesn't really explain why it's so unevenly struck.
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  • CoinCrazyPACoinCrazyPA Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭✭
    This is a strange one, the number one looks normal the other three numbers are flat, the tip of the feather are flat, of America flat, and what is that across the bottom of the neck? What could have laid in the dies at such an circular pattern to strike through? Puzzling? I am totally intrigued by this. Could the die some how been tilted when this wa struck? Just throwing it out there.
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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gee, I didn't think there would be anyone who questioned the cause. The debris spreads outward with the pressure, so you see it bunch up at the feather tips, outlying letters and the date. If it was a weak strike it would be weak all over, especially in the center. The die polish lines by the date are known for this die pair.

    The debris is usually said to be grease, but I think it could be other things too.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,675 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I believe that this is a "light strike", sometimes referred to as a test-strike. Notice the feathers are not struck up at their tips? On the other side from them is the wreath.
    Looking at this strike I would say that the hammer die (the die "on top") is the reverse design and the anvil die is the obverse design. >>

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  • errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭
    With respect to the date, the feather tips, and the base of the bust, I've seen similar forms of flattening on recent issues. In those cases I concluded that I was dealing with post-strike damage. My concern is the very sharp, slightly elevated margins of the numbers and feather outlines. This would be a very unusual outcome of a die recess filled with gunk. It also appears that the shield is warped. That would be another indicator of post-strike damage.
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  • crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭
    have you weighed it yet? It might be a thin/tapered planchet
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would be much more easy to say it is post-strike damage if it was worn, but it is certainly "as struck".
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    If it were a test strike (a.k.a light strike), the cheek would not be so struck up.


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  • chumleychumley Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭

    is that a strikethru below the ear?
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  • thatoneguythatoneguy Posts: 285


    << <i>is that a strikethru below the ear?
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    No, it's a fishimageimage
  • errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It would be much more easy to say it is post-strike damage if it was worn, but it is certainly "as struck". >>



    The state of wear is irrelevant to a determination of post-strike damage. Many of the coins I've encountered with similar-looking flattening of design elements were in otherwise uncirculated condition. Some of these were Presidential dollars.
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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    I prefer to call it a grease filled die rather than struck thru grease. I think both are correct. I agree with eagle eye it may be lots of other things besides grease but in an extreme case like this I would say it is likely new grease in a new die rather than greasy lint building up in the crevices (frequent in the stars of large cents).

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  • lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Isn't grease most damaging when it is old after repeated hammering, mixing and hardening with filings and other debris?

    Mike is clearly the error-expert and his opinion carries a lot of weight. I would have guessed grease and not PMD.
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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It could be that this is struck off a brand new die that was stored in grease to prevent rust damage.
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  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The state of wear is irrelevant to a determination of post-strike damage.

    I think having original surfaces is very relevant to determining post-strike damage.
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