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ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
Please report. Cert number is a Isabella quarter, no pics. Shut 'em down on their first attempt: 1906-O Gold Barber 25c

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  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Please report. Cert number is a Isabella quarter, no pics. Shut 'em down on their first attempt: 1906-O Gold Barber 25c >>


    Where are you seeing this cert number? image

    Not saying that I believe this listing is legitimate.
  • erickso1erickso1 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭
    In the description. It is listed as a PCGS w/ cert # 10796976.
  • "i can arange something if dont want to give that much"


    image i'll bet he can , if you cant afford to be burned for 650 he'll happily burn you for 5 large image
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Somebody bought it, ouch!
  • derrybderryb Posts: 37,064 ✭✭✭✭✭
    linked listing claims to be an ANACS holder. Don't believe ANACS is using pronged holders as shown in the pic. Don't see PCGS anywhere in the listing.

    Exit bunker, enter Matrix. LOL

  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    from what i see it was listed as an:

    ANACS AU55 - one nice 55

    cert: 4307232

    doesn't look like an anacs holder either, obviously "borrowed" from an ngc image

    also this is why i am so against sharing of images, besides the violation of ebay policy

    the person may actually receive an anacs au55 authentic coin and holder, maybe they just "borrowed" an image of the same date coin

    if all goes wrong, at least the buyer has ebay and paypal on their side, unless they don't know any better

    unfortunately besides the "borrowed" image, there actually isn't any problems

    since the item just ended, we will have to wait in suspense, i will watch for feedback now to salve my curiosity
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  • LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Somebody bought it, ouch! >>



    Only thing can hope for is they get a MSxx quarter eagle otherwise it's time for buyer protection as money will be held until feedback is given with the new seller.image

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin looks to be a blazing MS64-65 or better yet seller describes it as both "AU55 details quarter" and "perfect unc." They loved this coin so much for so long that they forgot it
    wasn't a quarter but a quarter eagle. Zero feedback is a big plus. Funny, never thought of Passaic, NJ as scam central.

    Don't see a New Orleans mint mark mentioned anywhere? But seller does list it as from the "New York" mint...lol.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • I am the idiot that bought it.
    it should up on my "pcgs o -morgan" listing search.
    Description changed between pulling up and completing purchase. Went in the other room to get my daughter's soup.

    I thought it was a 1906-o eagle at a bargin price, or a scam I could dispute it I got nothing.

    I was here scratching my head trying to figure out how I missed the quarter and the lack of the "o"

    Looks like I will have to figure out how to deal with it.
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,060 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The seller changed the description after I linked it. It said PCGS originally!! It came up on my PCGS search.
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The seller changed the description after I linked it. It said PCGS originally!! It came up on my PCGS search. >>



    thank you for that info!
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  • I emailed seller and asked to cancel transaction based on description and title change.
    I will stick to a deal if all the info is accurate and I burn myself based on a bad assumption, but
    in this case if something does come in the mail we will see if it matchs the picture.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am the idiot that bought it.
    it should up on my "pcgs o -morgan" listing search.
    Description changed between pulling up and completing purchase. Went in the other room to get my daughter's soup.

    I thought it was a 1906-o eagle at a bargin price, or a scam I could dispute it I got nothing.

    I was here scratching my head trying to figure out how I missed the quarter and the lack of the "o"

    Looks like I will have to figure out how to deal with it. >>



    Pretty simple. They are auctioning off something that is either misdescribed or a scam. Before I sent off any payment I would communicate to them that you missed
    some of the obvious flaws in the listing. Either they need to show you the cert of the "perfect unc" MS63 or better 1906 NGC $2-1/2 Lib you just bought or cancel the auction if it's an ANACS coin that had the wrong picture shown. If it were me I wouldn't send a penny before this was cleared up...even if it is via paypal. Better to be a deadbeat bidder than a scammed
    bidder. The coin shown looks to be gem or nearly so. Then again could be in an NGC AU55 details holder due to a cleaning. Last New Orleans quarter eagle minted was in 1857. Being
    able to buy the only 1906-0 $2-1/2 Lib in existence would have been an unusual opportunity.

    rodarunner

    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am the idiot that bought it.
    it should up on my "pcgs o -morgan" listing search.
    Description changed between pulling up and completing purchase. Went in the other room to get my daughter's soup.

    I thought it was a 1906-o eagle at a bargin price, or a scam I could dispute it I got nothing.

    I was here scratching my head trying to figure out how I missed the quarter and the lack of the "o"

    Looks like I will have to figure out how to deal with it. >>




    the last thing i would say you are is an idiot

    if it is a scam you didn't make the person choose to do it

    also if the seller changed info before you bid that is also not your doing

    and on top of everything, that is what the paypal protection is supposed to be for

    ebay and paypal simply need to make it more difficult to create seller accounts

    or maybe it is just like insurance companies, so long as you have more coming in than going out, all is well and the stock goes up
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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks like I will have to figure out how to deal with it. >>



    I would contact Paypal right away and explain about the changed listing and see if they'll cancel payment.

    Added:
    If you did not pay yet then contact the seller to cancel or contact ebay if the seller does not cancel it.

    Ed
  • I paid the seller ASAP. Got a note back right away saying he would try and get to the post office before it closed.

    Little while later visited the listing and realized that there was no "1906-O" in the listing. Checked and saw the
    description and title had been modified 8 mins prior to buying. When I got home from work I did my usual search
    "o pcgs -morgan" new listings, and pulled up about 5 new listings of interest. Pretty PCGS AU58 barber dimes just
    listed. Looked at those, took the soup of for my daughter.

    Saw this listing, thought this is either a 1906-O eagle bargin with a poor description or a scam. Figured I give it a shot.
    Once I revisited and the "O" was gone realized it was probably a quarter eagle.

    I am pretty sure that paypal will hold the money for a while for a new seller. I will wait and see what comes in the
    mail before determining course of action. Most likely a registered return and dispute.

    Never had a title / description changed between pulling up the listing and pressing BIN before.

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You shouldn't have to be guessing what is coming in the mail...ask the seller for further details and include eBay/Paypal in the discussions.
    I'd also have the package opened under the Postal Inspector's eye, with a video, or something similar.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • Seller partially refunded.
    Refunded $650. Kept the $20 shipping charge.
    Didn't send any message.

    I googled his name. Came up with a 18 year old male in NJ.

    This has been an interesting 2 hours.

    I need to learn to be more carefully with bargins. Have a habit of doing BIN to quick to get something before someone else does.
    Sometimes I burn myself. Sometimes I get a Win.

    Such as:

    CC bag bought on ebay

    and resold to pay for daughters college books for Fall Semester
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,060 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Seller partially refunded.
    Refunded $650. Kept the $20 shipping charge.
    Didn't send any message.

    I googled his name. Came up with a 18 year old male in NJ.

    This has been an interesting 2 hours.

    I need to learn to be more carefully with bargins. Have a habit of doing BIN to quick to get something before someone else does.
    Sometimes I burn myself. Sometimes I get a Win.

    Such as:

    CC bag bought on ebay

    and resold to pay for daughters college books for Fall Semester >>



    He cannot keep the $20!! He didn't ship anything. Contact eBay/Paypal now!!


  • << <i>

    << <i>Seller partially refunded.
    Refunded $650. Kept the $20 shipping charge.
    Didn't send any message.

    I googled his name. Came up with a 18 year old male in NJ.

    This has been an interesting 2 hours.

    I need to learn to be more carefully with bargins. Have a habit of doing BIN to quick to get something before someone else does.
    Sometimes I burn myself. Sometimes I get a Win.

    Such as:

    CC bag bought on ebay

    and resold to pay for daughters college books for Fall Semester >>



    He cannot keep the $20!! He didn't ship anything. Contact eBay/Paypal now!! >>



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  • Paypal dispute opened for the remaining $20.
  • All you have to do is report this listing to ebay for the following violations:
    1. All certified coin listings MUST show a picture of both the obverse and reverse
    2. All certified coin listings MUST show a picture of the holder
    3. Coin is stated to be in an ANACS holder, but, it is in an NGC holder (SNAD)

    Contact Ebay to advise them and they will remove his listing and refund your payment through PayPal.
  • Wow you really handled this situation so cool, calm, and collectable.
    image
    Positive:
    BST Transactions: DonnyJf, MrOrganic, Justanothercoinaddict, Fivecents, Slq, Jdimmick,
    Robb, Tee135, Ibzman350, Mercfan, Outhaul, Erickso1, Cugamongacoins, Indiananationals, Wayne Herndon

    Negative BST Transactions:


  • << <i>Wow you really handled this situation so cool, calm, and collectable.
    image >>




    I see that your taking others advice here which is a good thing!
    Positive:
    BST Transactions: DonnyJf, MrOrganic, Justanothercoinaddict, Fivecents, Slq, Jdimmick,
    Robb, Tee135, Ibzman350, Mercfan, Outhaul, Erickso1, Cugamongacoins, Indiananationals, Wayne Herndon

    Negative BST Transactions:
  • It was minted in New York after all
  • Last $20 refunded. Adventure over.
  • Listing has been removed by ebay

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