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Please be perfectly Frank.....

itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
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.....ok, how 'bout a NM-MT 8? 8.5????

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  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,057 ✭✭
    I think you have an 8 there. Nice card
  • YogiBerraFanYogiBerraFan Posts: 2,390 ✭✭
    7.5
  • eyeboneeyebone Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭
    not sure about 8.5. top left and some minor chipping on bottom edge, make it 7.5 or 8 to me. hope i am wrong though.

    good luck. eyebone
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  • tigerdeantigerdean Posts: 910 ✭✭✭
    Prob hit you on the back centering
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,139 ✭✭✭
    Back will get you. I am betting 7.5.
  • Sean1125Sean1125 Posts: 3,479
    8.5 I think you will be surprised.


    edit*

    You as in everyone guessing 7-7.5.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    PSA 9 allows for a 90/10 back, I hope you land it!
  • ThoseBackPagesThoseBackPages Posts: 4,871 ✭✭
    8(OC)
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  • Sean1125Sean1125 Posts: 3,479


    << <i>PSA 9 allows for a 90/10 back, I hope you land it! >>



    Kind of why I figured 8.5. The corners are nice but back detracts.
  • miconelegacymiconelegacy Posts: 3,052 ✭
    It's a beauty on the front. Usually it's the other way around right... a beauty from behind...I think your looking at a 8OC, Maybe a straight 7, 7.5.

    Either way it's a great card.
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  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Cookie Monster say, you must sell this card to me!
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  • mrmint23mrmint23 Posts: 2,249 ✭✭✭
    6.5 stain on back and 96/4 centering....hope I'm wrong front is nice
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    just for comparison, here's a scan of one i got into a NM 7 holder, and the back is centered a little better....

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    the criteria for centering on the reverse is 90/10 or in this case 10/90 or better.....i think the card meets that criteria.

    i wouldn't be surprised at 7.5, but it could be an 8 on a good day.....one thing i can say about this card is it feels like it's brand freeking new, absolutely meeting the label of "pack fresh".....i wish i knew where get some more of 'em.

    Sean, i'll take that surprise for sure. image
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Cookie Monster want the 7 too
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  • ThoseBackPagesThoseBackPages Posts: 4,871 ✭✭
    where the heck do you come up with these raw beauties anyway? lol
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  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    at least an 8 or send it back.

    I've gotten 8's with cards that had similar or worse backs, so even if it comes back a 7 you should try again.
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    I'll say 7.5.
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  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    If I saw both of these cards back in the 80s when I would have collected Topps cards... I would choose the "7" card, the subject card at top of post is nice but has the registration slightly off (yellow line at bottom of image), and thats just enough for me to like the other card better. image

    Old school, registration was more important than being slight off center. especially the anal collectors and graders who care so much about backs being spot on 50/50 centered
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭


    << <i>If I saw both of these cards back in the 80s when I would have collected Topps cards... I would choose the "7" card, the subject card at top of post is nice but has the registration slightly off (yellow line at bottom of image), and thats just enough for me to like the other card better. image

    Old school, registration was more important than being slight off center. especially the anal collectors and graders who care so much about backs being spot on 50/50 centered >>



    yup, this is true....both cards were scanned the same way with the same scanner and settings, and the vividness of color and clarity of the image is what attracted me to the example now in the 7 holder, so you make a good point.

    that being said, i'm now in the position of trying to determine the psychology of the grader(s), the potential outcome, and then what to do if it goes beyond logical expectations.

    ya just never know until ya try. image
  • frankhardyfrankhardy Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I could care less about the back centering. I say 8 or 8.5. That is a beauty. I don't think there is anyway they give an o/c qualifier for the back being off centered.

    Shane

  • SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    Maybe not the first time but it should reside in an 8 holder at some point unless the black dot on the back causes a MK qualifier?

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  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭
    7.5
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  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,259 ✭✭✭✭
    I don't think I've ever seen an O/C card based on the reverse that still had border all the way around, This card gets a straight grade with no qualifier...no way an 8 o/c
  • cardbendercardbender Posts: 1,831 ✭✭
    Nice card, 7.5 with a shot at an 8. Back is 10/90 which is fine for a 7.5/8 grade.
    The only thing I see that might hold it back is the very slight print on his sleeves,
    and the top left corner looks slightly touched. It's hard to tell that corners' sharpness
    from the scan. I'm sure the front centering, which is outstanding,
    will override any other minor flaws.

    Good luck with the grading.....
  • Bear48Bear48 Posts: 241 ✭✭✭
    8 -- you'll take a hit on the back centering
  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say it has a good shot at an 8. I'm not sure it will get an 8.5

    Good luck...image

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  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭


    << <i>8(OC) >>




    I don't think that PSA will give an OC for the back?? They will just give a lower grade, no??
  • detroitfan2detroitfan2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭✭
    AWESOME card! Nothing looks nicer than minty white borders on '57 Topps baseball.

    Now stop calling me "Shirley".
  • GarabaldiGarabaldi Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭
    That front looks very nice and the color is sharp.
  • scooter729scooter729 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>8(OC) >>




    I don't think that PSA will give an OC for the back?? They will just give a lower grade, no?? >>



    I don't think that's true. I have a beautiful T card that is 50/50 centered on the front and 100/0 on the back, and they gave me a 7MC for it. Ouch.
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    thanks one and all for your opinions, this is why i love to post raw cards here.

    the opinions of 3rd party graders are important to me, of course, because those opinions are vital to the health of my business and my hobby.

    but, the opinions of my brothers (and sister? LOL) in this forum are vastly more important to me because your eyes can tell me things before the card ever makes it to PSA.

    there's a lot of experience in this room too and i appreciate those who are willing to share it.

    i'd be amped to see Frank make it into a NM-MT holder and i have had 8's graded in the past with a poorly centered reverse, but with all other aspects of a high-end card.....as long as it meets their guidelines, i think it'll do well.....as others have mentioned, the (OC) designation would apply to the front, but i've never seen that applied to a card back, just a reduced NQ grade.
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>8(OC) >>




    I don't think that PSA will give an OC for the back?? They will just give a lower grade, no?? >>



    I don't think that's true. I have a beautiful T card that is 50/50 centered on the front and 100/0 on the back, and they gave me a 7MC for it. Ouch. >>



    Miscut is the exception, IMO. 100/0 is a miscut without any leniency. Any other centering issues on the back, at least in my experience, just cause the card to drop in grade until it meets the criteria.
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  • Probstein123Probstein123 Posts: 1,281 ✭
    7.5
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not fer sure - but maybe an 8 if they don't ding you on the back.
    Mike
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