people for my bbl
illinifan912
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Ok im starting to sell again on ebay and I was planning on updating my bbl list so who should I put on it?
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Stop me, please.
This should give you a start:
1devonish, 2805eastmoracourt, 323dlc, 3d2m, 516chub, allstarsportscardsia, babyformula2008, badsantaneil, beeman6, bellaunionbaby, boxing-talk, curiousgoodsincanada, davidjamie, denalikarlh, everything4sale08, fima0201matthew, fishheadkrewe, flight2bos, flight2cts, flight2hnd, flight2kix, flight2lax, flight2nrt, flight2nyc, flight2ord, flight2sfo, foffy, frank52441, gutterratx1, hokeydinah777, jack-n-the-bx, jeffo81, jg8422jeffrey, jpb4nd, lovecanada2009, lsutigers1973, madjoshuakaos, malvernpacific, michelle500joanna1, mlscards, noosk27, old_colony_trading_corporation, padoggg, partsmankurt, psyp, rickle_frickle, scheiper, skgbhp, slydondis, ssandyy11ping, tiffsanfran25, trach12, unclerobby344, yankeejhawk
Neil
aurorahockey, diduch123, haku101-305
1devonish, 21robertoclemente, 2805eastmoracourt, 2maicoray, 2prophetic, 323dlc, 3d2m, 4881776, 516chub, 54oriolesfan, 618mike09, 7778725, 7bjw7, 817.2009, abejam11, acramos2, addyphil, afrosamuraijp, akroncardfan, albertdesalvatore, alexandtamyka, all_about_the_cards, allstarsportscardsia, amonduuliimusic, arcballsoftball, arod3sharp, aurorahockey, austinisthekingaustin, avbaseballcollector, b5ranger99, babyformula2008, badsantaneil, baseballcardswithmore304, beagle4857, beeman6, bellaunionbaby, bills75topps, binky1339, bjen98, blkmagnum22s, boxing-talk, brownsbacker9772, camerapro12, cardcop05, carddash, carnival24crav, celebravet, clipper-baseball2010, cobbkiss, collectingcards, comgeek, commandocollectibles, cupcrazy, curiousgoodsincanada, dacw333, danwmcconnell31, dartjay, davesss666, davidjamie, denalikarlh, denisec1344, detroittigersfan2011, diduch123, doder1, dominicanchica11, donut13666, drew62001, drmikeppsych, dupsandtrips, durham_00005, dwaynebowe82, ebuysellandtrade, elvis_decanters, ericm394, estore-direct, evanjames820, everything4sale08, expensivepicturesofmen, fifi_fashion_house, fiji47150, fima0201matthew, fishheadkrewe, flight2bos, flight2cts, flight2fu k, flight2hnd, flight2kix, flight2lax, flight2nrt, flight2nyc, flight2ord, flight2sfo, foffy, frank52441, frankmartin1969, freekinwilly, geekhf, gutterratx1, haku101-305, hbk4life56, hemachal, hoganlex, hokeydinah777, hotprospects2011, humphrey7, iowagametrader319, jack-n-the-bx, jakerox10, janebeliever09, jasontaliaferro, jdbaggie8ixr, jdc0957, jeffo81, jg8422jeffrey, joanduder, johanne7706, jordans_junk_drawer, jordorules, jose0305, jpb4nd, juande1997, jujags18, kcnite44, kentuckybeans, kitchykaan, kramj44, krpelectronics, lemieuxstars66, lovecanada2009, lsutigers1973, madjoshuakaos, malvernpacific, marinofan1313, markthepoet, mc8200, mets7300, michelle500joanna1, mikescards15, miketl7911, mlscards, montourcardshop8zyp, mrsportscards7, muledeer1982, munkydong01, nbkoqsb, nicktymanda, nomishah83, noosk27, nuclint, nymetfan13, nyyankeechris75, old_colony_trading_corporation, onlyamazingdeals, overtimecards, overtimesports_777, packmacg1, packpros, padoggg, panacea72, pancho361, parmapimp, partsmankurt, philliesforever, phinsphorever, playoffbound09, popculturetoys, popculturetoys!, prete12, princesslisa2000, psyp, pure_pwnage, raginalabama, rebelgrey777, rickle_frickle, riddell7028, s2k2mac, salsbobs, saltdeposit, scheiper, setitoff009, shadowyspunky, sixerzfan, skgbhp, skipperdo, slydondis, smcci, sonnycarson, sportsfan63, ssandyy11ping, starbury8723, teambrinkz, tehjawn, theturson, tiffsanfran25, timmyray79, tlei13, trach12, treemsports, trevdogg1986, tsajay1, tspinn77, twcb08261, unclerobby344, usnfleet, victorp1956, vigeibar, wintwins_2010, witwer11, wtyson23, wwrightprop, xelitex21, yankeejhawk, zachtan1998
Edit Add: EchoCanyon
2laos4tao, 516chub, 54oriolesfan, acramos2, ad4l, addyphil, airportblvd2901, all_about_the_cards, backyard_computer_mechanic, broetova, btsrbt, camerapro12, cardcop05, daddaziorobert, davidjamie, debf321, ericm394, evanjames820, expensivepicturesofmen, frankmartin1969, gregbdiehl, gutterratx1, han_sold-low, humphrey7, imnoangel911, jlzinck, kmillsjake, krauk, madjoshuakaos, mikescards15, montourcardshop8zyp, myrottiesandme, n8sautographs, nyyankeechris75, old_colony_trading_corporation, patiencebidding1, receivegodsblessing, sidelinecards, skgbhp, sportsfan63, tobyjason, tonywhitaker12, unique_collectibles_antiques, yayo2345
0rr4, 1connectedguy, 1devonish, 21robertoclemente, 2805eastmoracourt, 2laos4tao, 2maicoray, 2prophetic, 323dlc, 3d2m, 4881776, 516chub, 530.tim, 54oriolesfan, 618mike09, 7778725, 7bjw7, 817.2009, abejam11, acramos2, ad4l, addyphil, afrosamuraijp, airportblvd2901, akroncardfan, albertdesalvatore, alexandtamyka, all_about_the_cards, allstarsportscardsia, amonduuliimusic, arcballsoftball, arod3sharp, aurorahockey, austinisthekingaustin, avbaseballcollector, b5ranger99, babyformula2008, backyard_computer_mechanic, badsantaneil, baseballcardswithmore304, beagle4857, beeman6, bellaunionbaby, bills75topps, binky1339, bjen98, blkmagnum22s, boxing-talk, broetova, brownsbacker9772, btsrbt, camerapro12, cardcop05, carddash, carnival24crav, cascardo4, celebravet, clipper-baseball2010, cobbkiss, collectingcards, comgeek, commandocollectibles, cupcrazy, curiousgoodsincanada, cvgbound, dacw333, daddaziorobert, danwmcconnell31, dartjay, davesss666, davidjamie, debf321, denalikarlh, denisec1344, detroittigersfan2011, diduch123, djjsjr, doctorbet, doder1, dominicanchica11, donut13666, drew62001, drmikeppsych, dupsandtrips, durham_00005, dwaynebowe82, dwiedle, ebuysellandtrade, elliottrohan68, elvis_decanters, ericm394, estore-direct, evanjames820, everything4sale08, expensivepicturesofmen, fifi_fashion_house, fiji47150, fima0201matthew, fishheadkrewe, flight2bos, flight2cts, flight2hnd, flight2kix, flight2lax, flight2nrt, flight2nyc, flight2ord, flight2sfo, foffy, frank52441, frankmartin1969, freekinwilly, fruity035, geekhf, gregbdiehl, gutterratx1, haku101-305, han_sold-low, hbk4life56, hemachal, hoganlex, hokeydinah777, homeruncards2008, hotprospects2011, humphrey7, id, imnoangel911, iowagametrader319, jack-n-the-bx, jakerox10, janebeliever09, jasontaliaferro, jay82dogs, jdbaggie8ixr, jdc0957, jeffo81, jg8422jeffrey, jlzinck, joanduder, johanne7706, jordans_junk_drawer, jordorules, jose0305, jpb4nd, jtadvertising, juande1997, jujags18, kcnite44, kentuckybeans, kitchykaan, kmillsjake, kramj44, krauk, krpelectronics, lemieuxstars66, lovecanada2009, lsutigers1973, lunadog7, madjoshuakaos, malvernpacific, marinofan1313, markthepoet, mc8200, metalman109, mets7300, michelle500joanna1, mikescards15, miketl7911, mlscards, montourcardshop8zyp, mrsportscards7, muledeer1982, munkydong01, myrottiesandme, n8sautographs, nbkoqsb, nicktymanda, nomishah83, noosk27, nuclint, nymetfan13, nyyankeechris75, old_colony_trading_corporation, oldendolls, onlyamazingdeals, overtimecards, overtimesports_777, packmacg1, packpros, padoggg, panacea72, pancho361, parmapimp, partsmankurt, patiencebidding1, peccy1, philliesforever, phinsphorever, playoffbound09, popculturetoys, popculturetoys!, prete12, pretty-minnie-mamma, princesslisa2000, psyp, pure_pwnage, raginalabama, rebelgrey777, receivegodsblessing, rickle_frickle, riddell7028, rocketman26-10, rrolondas2, s2k2mac, salsbobs, saltdeposit, scheiper, setitoff009, shadowyspunky, shashaban, shawno1988, sidelinecards, sixerzfan, skgbhp, skipperdo, slydondis, smcci, sonnycarson, sportsfan63, ssandyy11ping, starbury8723, stretch-your-dollar, teambrinkz, tehjawn, theturson, tiffsanfran25, timmyray79, tlei13, tobyjason, tonywhitaker12, trach12, treemsports, trevdogg1986, tripleplayvintage, tsajay1, tspinn77, twcb08261, ultrasolvent, unclerobby344, unique_collectibles_antiques, usnfleet, vic17287, victorp1956, vigeibar, wintwins_2010, witwer11, wtyson23, wwrightprop, xelitex21, yankeejhawk, yayo2345, zachtan1998
WOW
<< <i>Here is the combination of all the IDs posted here in this thread so far...
0rr4, 1connectedguy, 1devonish, 21robertoclemente, 2805eastmoracourt, 2laos4tao, 2maicoray, 2prophetic, 323dlc, 3d2m, 4881776, 516chub, 530.tim, 54oriolesfan, 618mike09, 7778725, 7bjw7, 817.2009, abejam11, acramos2, ad4l, addyphil, afrosamuraijp, airportblvd2901, akroncardfan, albertdesalvatore, alexandtamyka, all_about_the_cards, allstarsportscardsia, amonduuliimusic, arcballsoftball, arod3sharp, aurorahockey, austinisthekingaustin, avbaseballcollector, b5ranger99, babyformula2008, backyard_computer_mechanic, badsantaneil, baseballcardswithmore304, beagle4857, beeman6, bellaunionbaby, bills75topps, binky1339, bjen98, blkmagnum22s, boxing-talk, broetova, brownsbacker9772, btsrbt, camerapro12, cardcop05, carddash, carnival24crav, cascardo4, celebravet, clipper-baseball2010, cobbkiss, collectingcards, comgeek, commandocollectibles, cupcrazy, curiousgoodsincanada, cvgbound, dacw333, daddaziorobert, danwmcconnell31, dartjay, davesss666, davidjamie, debf321, denalikarlh, denisec1344, detroittigersfan2011, diduch123, djjsjr, doctorbet, doder1, dominicanchica11, donut13666, drew62001, drmikeppsych, dupsandtrips, durham_00005, dwaynebowe82, dwiedle, ebuysellandtrade, elliottrohan68, elvis_decanters, ericm394, estore-direct, evanjames820, everything4sale08, expensivepicturesofmen, fifi_fashion_house, fiji47150, fima0201matthew, fishheadkrewe, flight2bos, flight2cts, flight2hnd, flight2kix, flight2lax, flight2nrt, flight2nyc, flight2ord, flight2sfo, foffy, frank52441, frankmartin1969, freekinwilly, fruity035, geekhf, gregbdiehl, gutterratx1, haku101-305, han_sold-low, hbk4life56, hemachal, hoganlex, hokeydinah777, homeruncards2008, hotprospects2011, humphrey7, id, imnoangel911, iowagametrader319, jack-n-the-bx, jakerox10, janebeliever09, jasontaliaferro, jay82dogs, jdbaggie8ixr, jdc0957, jeffo81, jg8422jeffrey, jlzinck, joanduder, johanne7706, jordans_junk_drawer, jordorules, jose0305, jpb4nd, jtadvertising, juande1997, jujags18, kcnite44, kentuckybeans, kitchykaan, kmillsjake, kramj44, krauk, krpelectronics, lemieuxstars66, lovecanada2009, lsutigers1973, lunadog7, madjoshuakaos, malvernpacific, marinofan1313, markthepoet, mc8200, metalman109, mets7300, michelle500joanna1, mikescards15, miketl7911, mlscards, montourcardshop8zyp, mrsportscards7, muledeer1982, munkydong01, myrottiesandme, n8sautographs, nbkoqsb, nicktymanda, nomishah83, noosk27, nuclint, nymetfan13, nyyankeechris75, old_colony_trading_corporation, oldendolls, onlyamazingdeals, overtimecards, overtimesports_777, packmacg1, packpros, padoggg, panacea72, pancho361, parmapimp, partsmankurt, patiencebidding1, peccy1, philliesforever, phinsphorever, playoffbound09, popculturetoys, popculturetoys!, prete12, pretty-minnie-mamma, princesslisa2000, psyp, pure_pwnage, raginalabama, rebelgrey777, receivegodsblessing, rickle_frickle, riddell7028, rocketman26-10, rrolondas2, s2k2mac, salsbobs, saltdeposit, scheiper, setitoff009, shadowyspunky, shashaban, shawno1988, sidelinecards, sixerzfan, skgbhp, skipperdo, slydondis, smcci, sonnycarson, sportsfan63, ssandyy11ping, starbury8723, stretch-your-dollar, teambrinkz, tehjawn, theturson, tiffsanfran25, timmyray79, tlei13, tobyjason, tonywhitaker12, trach12, treemsports, trevdogg1986, tripleplayvintage, tsajay1, tspinn77, twcb08261, ultrasolvent, unclerobby344, unique_collectibles_antiques, usnfleet, vic17287, victorp1956, vigeibar, wintwins_2010, witwer11, wtyson23, wwrightprop, xelitex21, yankeejhawk, yayo2345, zachtan1998 >>
Thanks Twiley, I just replaced my BBL with this list.
!!!
Neil
flight2fu k
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
Updated List with Mr Ron Burgundy's addition:
0rr4, 1connectedguy, 1devonish, 21robertoclemente, 2805eastmoracourt, 2laos4tao, 2maicoray, 2prophetic, 323dlc, 3d2m, 4881776, 516chub, 530.tim, 54oriolesfan, 618mike09, 7778725, 7bjw7, 817.2009, abejam11, acramos2, ad4l, addyphil, afrosamuraijp, airportblvd2901, akroncardfan, albertdesalvatore, alexandtamyka, all_about_the_cards, allstarsportscardsia, amonduuliimusic, arcballsoftball, arod3sharp, aurorahockey, austinisthekingaustin, avbaseballcollector, b5ranger99, babyformula2008, backyard_computer_mechanic, badsantaneil, baseballcardswithmore304, beagle4857, bellaunionbaby, bills75topps, binky1339, bjen98, blkmagnum22s, boxing-talk, broetova, brownsbacker9772, btsrbt, camerapro12, cardcop05, carddash, carnival24crav, cascardo4, celebravet, clipper-baseball2010, cobbkiss, collectingcards, comgeek, commandocollectibles, cupcrazy, curiousgoodsincanada, cvgbound, dacw333, daddaziorobert, danwmcconnell31, dartjay, davesss666, davidjamie, debf321, denalikarlh, denisec1344, detroittigersfan2011, diduch123, djjsjr, doctorbet, doder1, dominicanchica11, donut13666, drew62001, drmikeppsych, dupsandtrips, durham_00005, dwaynebowe82, dwiedle, ebuysellandtrade, elliottrohan68, elvis_decanters, ericm394, estore-direct, evanjames820, everything4sale08, expensivepicturesofmen, fifi_fashion_house, fiji47150, fima0201matthew, fishheadkrewe, flight2bos, flight2cts, flight2hnd, flight2kix, flight2lax, flight2nrt, flight2nyc, flight2ord, flight2sfo, foffy, frank52441, frankmartin1969, freekinwilly, fruity035, geekhf, gregbdiehl, gutterratx1, haku101-305, han_sold-low, hbk4life56, hemachal, hoganlex, hokeydinah777, homeruncards2008, hotprospects2011, humphrey7, id, imnoangel911, iowagametrader319, jack-n-the-bx, jakerox10, janebeliever09, jasontaliaferro, jay82dogs, jdbaggie8ixr, jdc0957, jeffo81, jg8422jeffrey, jlzinck, joanduder, johanne7706, jordans_junk_drawer, jordorules, jose0305, jpb4nd, jtadvertising, juande1997, jujags18, kcnite44, kentuckybeans, kitchykaan, kmillsjake, kramj44, krauk, krpelectronics, lemieuxstars66, lovecanada2009, lsutigers1973, lunadog7, madjoshuakaos, malvernpacific, marinofan1313, markthepoet, mc8200, metalman109, mets7300, michelle500joanna1, mikescards15, miketl7911, mlscards, montourcardshop8zyp, mrsportscards7, muledeer1982, munkydong01, myrottiesandme, n8sautographs, nbkoqsb, nicktymanda, nomishah83, noosk27, nuclint, nymetfan13, nyyankeechris75, old_colony_trading_corporation, oldendolls, onlyamazingdeals, overtimecards, overtimesports_777, packmacg1, packpros, padoggg, panacea72, pancho361, parmapimp, partsmankurt, patiencebidding1, peccy1, philliesforever, phinsphorever, playoffbound09, popculturetoys, popculturetoys!, prete12, pretty-minnie-mamma, princesslisa2000, psyp, pure_pwnage, raginalabama, rebelgrey777, receivegodsblessing, rickle_frickle, riddell7028, rocketman26-10, rrolondas2, s2k2mac, salsbobs, saltdeposit, scheiper, setitoff009, shadowyspunky, shashaban, shawno1988, sidelinecards, sixerzfan, skgbhp, skipperdo, slydondis, smcci, sonnycarson, sportsfan63, ssandyy11ping, starbury8723, stretch-your-dollar, teambrinkz, tehjawn, theturson, tiffsanfran25, timmyray79, tlei13, tobyjason, tonywhitaker12, trach12, treemsports, trevdogg1986, tripleplayvintage, tsajay1, tspinn77, twcb08261, ultrasolvent, unclerobby344, unique_collectibles_antiques, usnfleet, vic17287, victorp1956, vigeibar, vintagecardsrus, wintwins_2010, witwer11, wtyson23, wwrightprop, xelitex21, yankeejhawk, yayo2345, zachtan1998
<< <i>Damn twiley.. I made your list so now I guess I'm on everybodys list. I wonder if you even remember what we had a problem with???
How did you make it on "my" list? I don't think I put you on my list. I just copy pasted everyone's IDs and post them. If your on the compilation list it must have been on another list that ended up on the list? I don't ever recall having a transaction with you personally.
What is your ID on the list?
<< <i>Not very smart to copy and paste someone elses BBL. Some people block for no good reason. >>
Morning,
Very Smart, its called avoiding trouble before it happens, absolutely, after 13 years you can smell the idiots a mile away............................................................................!
Neil
I still believe a buyer should. That is what the feedback is for. I know the difference in subjective and downright lying about a cards condition. When someone puts in their item description that the cards are all EX-MT and you get the lot and half of them have creases, yes I believe that person deserves negative feedback, regardless of if they offer you a refund.
It's just like waverly82, he is a scammer but will offer you a refund if you call him out on his doctored cards. Does that mean the buyer shouldn't give him appropriate feedback? I for one believe that he should get appropriate feedback. I buy a lot of ungraded card lots , almost never graded and surely you know from all the stuff you buy that there are scammers in that area.
waverly82 has a 99.99% feedback rating and only 2 negs in the last 12 months! Guess what, it's not because he is an outstanding seller. It's because if someone complains he gladly gives them a refund. Well I for one believe he should have tons of negs on his account. He is an out and out scammer but many buyers don't know it because he "buys" his good feedback.
I'll put it like this, if I know with 100% certainty that a seller was trying to mislead with their description, I will give them a negative. If there is a question or the grading truly is subjective, I move on and and give them the benefit of the doubt.
To give you an example of me "moving on", I recently bought a single card for the 1956 set I am working on. I get it and it looks to be in worse condition than I remember when I bid. I check out the auction and notice it is a completely different card as it has two very distinguishing marks either on the card he has scanned or on the card I received. Very obvious it is a different card.
I email the seller and he apologizes and says to return and he will pay my return shipping. I email back asking for his address to return it and he gives me his address and says that was the only card of that player he even had. Well that is not even possible because of the two distinguishing marks. On top of that, he sent the card to me that I paid $75 for in a Card saver and bubble mailer. Nothing sturdy to protect the card.
So yea I even gave this guy the benefit of the doubt. But you have judged me already and that is fine if you choose to do so. I do the same thing when someone posts a possible person to add to bbl. I decide if I think it is warranted based on the info people put on here. I have spent almost 35k this year on sports memorabilia and I can tell you there are many sellers who feel I am not an "idiot".
I don't know if you got into that thread discussion about sean1125 or not, but there were a lot of people saying he couldn't be trusted and he said he had a $2000 deal with someone on here, that person was me and I came on here and defended him for at least my transaction. He sent the stuff out the day I paid and sent it Express mail. I'm sure he doesn't think I am an idiot, the funny thing is some people still didn't believe that I bought $2k worth of stuff from him on here.
I mean if you tell me star cards in a set I buy from you are sharp and I get them and every single star card has severely rounded corners or creases and not one single one is even in just EX condition, sorry, I know that person is intentionally trying to mislead and they will get a neg regardless of if they offer a refund. I feel people should want to know that about a seller. I know I want to know. I often check people's feedback to see what others say about the seller. I would prefer to be warned so I don't waste my time with that person. The problem is, most people think as long as they give me my money back, why leave "real" feedback?
Why leave feedback saying I got the 3 cards he said were in NM condition but neglected to mention they had paper loss on the back.
Refunds are great for honest mistakes, not for intentional misleading of a product. In the end, I still have the package that bad product up and take it to the Post Office to send it back. Who likes to do that?
I would welcome a phone conversation with you, as I am pretty sure if you talked to me on the phone you would realize i am no "idiot". I am just like most reasonable people on here, if I give a seller my hard earned money, I expect a good honest transaction, and I feel pretty confident I can tell the difference in an honest mistake and subjective grading and out and out trying to mislead someone.
One of the problem's with EBay is there are too many sellers on there who are intentionally trying to mislead people or scam people and they think as long as they offer a refund if someone calls them out on their scam, that they should be able to protect their 100% feedback as long as they give them a refund. Sorry, but IMO they are only buying their feedback. You would get rid of a lot of the lowlife sellers or they would change their ways if they received more appropriate feedback.
I'll give you another example, I bought a card from someone and afterwards realized I had been shilled. I checked his account and found who his shiller was and it was obvious. I left a neg for it. Should I have not done that?
<< <i>wow. no negs for waverly82 since April. you're right vintagechris, it makes me wonder.....i wish a few more of the cheated had the sacks to say what needs to be said. >>
Yep, the idea that giving a refund somehow wipes out the sin (yeah, that's aimed at you, waverly) justs hides the truth from the next bidder.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>wow. no negs for waverly82 since April. you're right vintagechris, it makes me wonder.....i wish a few more of the cheated had the sacks to say what needs to be said. >>
Thanks. I appreciate that. I can give another example as well, a certain seller who sells a lot of Curt Schilling stuff I believe has 99.9% feedback as well. All I am saying is I am not some nut job that is out to hurt people or intentionally screw people, but I do believe people should try to use good judgement and leave appropriate feedback. It would cut down on some of the garbage that goes on with ebay sellers.
I think I started that post about 2 years ago and I was questioned because I had left 10 negs for not receiving product. People thought how can that be? Well when you buy as much as I do, it can happen. You want to know something else? Of those 10, 9 are no longer registered. Hardly a coincidence, but I was made out to be the bad guy because I had left 10 negs for not receiving my item. Crazy how the scum bags that tried to rip me off were defended and I get put on peoples bbl.
Sorry, but I am leaving a neg when that happens unless the seller makes it right and I am not one of those people who gets a package without delivery confirmation and says I didn't get it. As a matter of fact, I have gotten $500+ packages that didn't have signature confirmation and I usually politely email the seller and tell them they may want to protect themselves better in the future and add signature confirmation to packages over $250.
<< <i> #1 Well with all due respect to you Neil, I am far from an idiot and made your list. The reason I made your list was I started a thread about should a buyer leave negative feedback when it is completely obvious that the seller is intentionally trying to mislead with grading of cards.
#2 I would welcome a phone conversation with you, as I am pretty sure if you talked to me on the phone you would realize i am no "idiot". I am just like most reasonable people on here, if I give a seller my hard earned money, I expect a good honest transaction, and I feel pretty confident I can tell the difference in an honest mistake and subjective grading and out and out trying to mislead someone.
#3 I'll give you another example, I bought a card from someone and afterwards realized I had been shilled. I checked his account and found who his shiller was and it was obvious. I left a neg for it. Should I have not done that? >>
Morning
#1 Actually this isn't true as I agree with your statement, so Why would I put you on my BBL for this???
#2 Just let me know what your ID is I blocked or incorporated from somebody elses list.
#3 I do have a bit of a problem with this as who says that your Detective techniques have found out the absolute Truth or are you just mad that you paid too much for a Card??? I mean lets play devil's advocate, its just your Opinion that there was Shilling going on! I have seen numerous threads on here where people start out with the "I've Been Shilled", and 30 posts down its "We'll maybe it was just a Newby or somesuch"
Wow, lets first get some misperceptions out of the way. I have no idea if you are on My list or if you made it to my list when I incorporated everybody else's list. Period, I don't know what your E-Bay ID is and so have no idea.
I stand by what I said about the criteria for making my BBL, the threshold is pretty low. After doing this on E-Bay for 13 years now and had over 20-30 thousand transactions you just start to think you have seen it all..............And then an IDIOT/SCAMMER comes up with a new one!
I will not debate you about whether you should give Neg for somebody over grading Cards you have purchased, I opted out of that discussion with my listings from day one. In all 800 of my listings it states "I do not grade cards as all card collectors have a different opinion of each and every card. Only third company mentioned cards are graded. If you have any questions please ask before end of auction. I will try to the best of my ability describe what is in each of the auctions I sell, but condition information is only meant as a general guideline."
And before I start hearing the "Cop-Out" cries, yeah that's exactly what it is, I am not going to debate the condition of the hundreds and hundreds of Cards I sell every month, look at the picture and YOU Decide, if it has something that can't be seen in the scan I'll describe it. Have I missed a spot or wrinkle, or small crease, He!! ya, happens every once in awhile. Does that mean I'm trying to scam somebody and inflate the condition.....We'll I think you know the answer. I usually refund, say keep the card and move on. Fortunitly I have been lucky and have had good outcomes for the last couple of years.
Should you be Negging Waverly and his Ilk...Well Hel! Yes !!!!
And just so you have an idea of what it takes to make it to my BBL here are just a few hundred that top the list:
Send me E-Mail "Where is my Item" and I send E-Mail back DC shows delivered, and then I never here from you again. You started a scam and when you got called out on it gave up. If you found the item then show some courtesy and send back "Oops sorry found...Thanks"
Ask me the same question more than two times
Ask me if I combine shipping more than once
Complain about shipping before any purchase
Complain about shipping After a Purchase
Complain about somebody elses shipping
Complain about any aspect of shipping in any way shape or form
Ask me a Stupid question
Ask me a stuppider question
Cop any kind of attitude whatsoever
Complain about Feedback
Complain about Feedback for the second time
Complains about Feedback for the Third time
Complain about Feedback for the 4th and consecutive time
Ask me if a Card I'm selling as 1976 Football Card # 376 Graded by PSA as MINT 9 is any of the following:
Is that card from 1976?
Is it Card #376?
Is that a Football Card?
Did PSA Grade that Card?
Are you selling Cards?
Is that Card in MINT 9 condition or do you feel it is in lesser condition?
I see a scratch in the scan, after I get it how much of the Purchase price can I exhort back from you with Neg Feedback Blackmail?
Or start any question like this: I see you are selling a Blah Blah graded by PSA, don't you think the whole grading thing is just a scam and your card is way overgraded?
If I don't like the Graded card afer I purchased it because my Sisters Brother In Laws Second Cousin might need an operation, so I might need to return it. Any Porblem with that?
U R A AHOOLE...but Like Card so will purchase!
Se Come este Duetchs, Billinkin, bas de free en tiebenten?
Have ever asked "Where is my Card within minutes of Paying after purchasing the Card two weeks earlier.
Or send me seven E-Mails a day, after day two, "Where is my Card?"
Ask me to lower the price on a BIN and I do, and then you don't purchase it.............Doing this right now, Frickin' Clown contacts me almost crying, life is going to end as he knows it if he can't get these two cards I have on sale already for $72.50 and $59.50, I agree to drastically cut price $50 and $40, total $90 plus shipping, then cards don't sell!!!!
That one pisses me off more than any other circumstance !!
And thats just a start as to how to make it to my BBL, lets call it Chapter one of a Thick Volume!!!
YeeHah
Neil
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<< <i> #1 Well with all due respect to you Neil, I am far from an idiot and made your list. The reason I made your list was I started a thread about should a buyer leave negative feedback when it is completely obvious that the seller is intentionally trying to mislead with grading of cards.
#2 I would welcome a phone conversation with you, as I am pretty sure if you talked to me on the phone you would realize i am no "idiot". I am just like most reasonable people on here, if I give a seller my hard earned money, I expect a good honest transaction, and I feel pretty confident I can tell the difference in an honest mistake and subjective grading and out and out trying to mislead someone.
#3 I'll give you another example, I bought a card from someone and afterwards realized I had been shilled. I checked his account and found who his shiller was and it was obvious. I left a neg for it. Should I have not done that? >>
Morning
#1 Actually this isn't true as I agree with your statement, so Why would I put you on my BBL for this???
#2 Just let me know what your ID is I blocked or incorporated from somebody elses list.
#3 I do have a bit of a problem with this as who says that your Detective techniques have found out the absolute Truth or are you just mad that you paid too much for a Card??? I mean lets play devil's advocate, its just your Opinion that there was Shilling going on! I have seen numerous threads on here where people start out with the "I've Been Shilled", and 30 posts down its "We'll maybe it was just a Newby or somesuch"
Wow, lets first get some misperceptions out of the way. I have no idea if you are on My list or if you made it to my list when I incorporated everybody else's list. Period, I don't know what your E-Bay ID is and so have no idea.
I stand by what I said about the criteria for making my BBL, the threshold is pretty low. After doing this on E-Bay for 13 years now and had over 20-30 thousand transactions you just start to think you have seen it all..............And then an IDIOT/SCAMMER comes up with a new one!
I will not debate you about whether you should give Neg for somebody over grading Cards you have purchased, I opted out of that discussion with my listings from day one. In all 800 of my listings it states "I do not grade cards as all card collectors have a different opinion of each and every card. Only third company mentioned cards are graded. If you have any questions please ask before end of auction. I will try to the best of my ability describe what is in each of the auctions I sell, but condition information is only meant as a general guideline."
And before I start hearing the "Cop-Out" cries, yeah that's exactly what it is, I am not going to debate the condition of the hundreds and hundreds of Cards I sell every month, look at the picture and YOU Decide, if it has something that can't be seen in the scan I'll describe it. Have I missed a spot or wrinkle, or small crease, He!! ya, happens every once in awhile. Does that mean I'm trying to scam somebody and inflate the condition.....We'll I think you know the answer. I usually refund, say keep the card and move on. Fortunitly I have been lucky and have had good outcomes for the last couple of years.
Should you be Negging Waverly and his Ilk...Well Hel! Yes !!!!
And just so you have an idea of what it takes to make it to my BBL here are just a few hundred that top the list:
Send me E-Mail "Where is my Item" and I send E-Mail back DC shows delivered, and then I never here from you again. You started a scam and when you got called out on it gave up. If you found the item then show some courtesy and send back "Oops sorry found...Thanks"
Ask me the same question more than two times
Ask me if I combine shipping more than once
Complain about shipping before any purchase
Complain about shipping After a Purchase
Complain about somebody elses shipping
Complain about any aspect of shipping in any way shape or form
Ask me a Stupid question
Ask me a stuppider question
Cop any kind of attitude whatsoever
Complain about Feedback
Complain about Feedback for the second time
Complains about Feedback for the Third time
Complain about Feedback for the 4th and consecutive time
Ask me if a Card I'm selling as 1976 Football Card # 376 Graded by PSA as MINT 9 is any of the following:
Is that card from 1976?
Is it Card #376?
Is that a Football Card?
Did PSA Grade that Card?
Are you selling Cards?
Is that Card in MINT 9 condition or do you feel it is in lesser condition?
I see a scratch in the scan, after I get it how much of the Purchase price can I exhort back from you with Neg Feedback Blackmail?
Or start any question like this: I see you are selling a Blah Blah graded by PSA, don't you think the whole grading thing is just a scam and your card is way overgraded?
If I don't like the Graded card afer I purchased it because my Sisters Brother In Laws Second Cousin might need an operation, so I might need to return it. Any Porblem with that?
U R A AHOOLE...but Like Card so will purchase!
Se Come este Duetchs, Billinkin, bas de free en tiebenten?
Have ever asked "Where is my Card within minutes of Paying after purchasing the Card two weeks earlier.
Or send me seven E-Mails a day, after day two, "Where is my Card?"
Ask me to lower the price on a BIN and I do, and then you don't purchase it.............Doing this right now, Frickin' Clown contacts me almost crying, life is going to end as he knows it if he can't get these two cards I have on sale already for $72.50 and $59.50, I agree to drastically cut price $50 and $40, total $90 plus shipping, then cards don't sell!!!!
That one pisses me off more than any other circumstance !!
And thats just a start as to how to make it to my BBL, lets call it Chapter one of a Thick Volume!!!
YeeHah
Neil
Hi Neil, Just to clarify, I don't do anything on your list and as far as the shilling, like I said before I knew 100% that the person had a shill. The shill was 100% with the buyer and was leaving feedback for the purchases. The shill had left over 100 positive feedbacks for the seller and seller only. The reason I know for sure it was a shill? I saw multiple cards that the shill account had won, left feedback on, but the seller had relisted the exact same card. How can a buyer leave feedback for a completed transaction and then the seller resell the exact same PSA card with the exact same cert #?
You may have very well just copied someone elses blocked list because I was on someone elses list who at the time gave me the hardest time about leaving negs for people like waverly who are obvious scammers. Trust me, I'm not leaving negs for people who miss a wrinkle or crease here or there. It's the people who sell a 100 card lot and call them EX-MT, you get the cards and over half have rounded corners or creases. That person will get a neg from me regardless of if they offer a refund or not. That person knows exactly what they are doing and other potential buyers should be warned.
BTW when I have a little more time I will PM my user ID and my phone # should you like to just talk and see who you may be dealing with. I believe that after talking with me you would see I am no different from most honest buyers, other than I don't play that game of buying feedback. I will also PM the ebay user who I know to have shilled me. Don't know if they are still doing it but they lefy NO DOUBT with the way they did.
1. You're an ass
2. You didn't pay or communicate until a case had to be opened.
3. You're an ass
4. You never paid at all
5. You're an ass
6. You gave me any indication whatsoever that you might be an ass
<< <i>Rules for being on my list:
1. You're an ass
2. You didn't pay or communicate until a case had to be opened.
3. You're an ass
4. You never paid at all
5. You're an ass
6. You gave me any indication whatsoever that you might be an ass >>
I agree with this. I also add people if they act like a loose cannon. Obviously if you can't conduct yourself well in a forum community, why would I want to conduct business with the person. There are other forum members I have on my list but didn't post them because the uproar it would cause.
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<< <i>Damn twiley.. I made your list so now I guess I'm on everybodys list. I wonder if you even remember what we had a problem with???
How did you make it on "my" list? I don't think I put you on my list. I just copy pasted everyone's IDs and post them. If your on the compilation list it must have been on another list that ended up on the list? I don't ever recall having a transaction with you personally.
What is your ID on the list? >>
And this was exactly my point. IMO, not a very good idea to copy and paste someone elses list.
I took all the IDs that people posted and made a compilation list and posted it. The compilation list is not *MINE*. Also for all I know NCDOLFAN is some alt stirring the pot. I could care less since they didn't reply. I could create a alt and come on here and claim my ID is on the list to give you more ammo...
I can see why someone would put you on their list. You seem like a loose cannon...
<< <i>WTF are you talking about?
I took all the IDs that people posted and made a compilation list and posted it. The compilation list is not *MINE*. Also for all I know NCDOLFAN is some alt stirring the pot. I could care less since they didn't reply. I could create a alt and come on here and claim my ID is on the list to give you more ammo...
I can see why someone would put you on their list. You seem like a loose cannon... >>
I think the rue loose cannon is showing himself
thedutymon is absolutely correct in his view of how a seller must
protect himself --- especially with EBAY and PayPal in the mix.
For the experienced collectible seller, in my view, EVEN the slightest
indication that there MIGHT be something wrong with a buyer - or
potential buyer - is MORE than enough reason to BBL them.
I continue to admit that I am VERY stern. The slightest misstep means
no soup for you. While I believe all good sellers would benefit from adopting
that policy, I fully understand that many don't want to; that's perfectly fine
with me.
I don't mean this in a particularly arrogant way, but anybody who buys
something from me is, IMV, lucky; they are not going to get cheated
and the transaction will be free of seller-created problems. KNOWING
that to be true makes me not worry about being wrong in my preemptive
blocks. There are ZILLIONS of buyers and I don't care if I accidentally make
a safety call that is wrong.
Folks who ask paranoid or ridiculous pre-buy Qs that indicate EVEN the
smallest hint of fear/concern about the safety of their transaction with
me go straight to the BBL. If the item was not "OK," I would not have
listed it, and I don't wanna sell stuff to folks who are accustomed to
being disappointed.
ANY unwarranted post-sale complaint also results in a BBL addition.
The notion of what is "warranted" is solely up to me. If I make a
few wrong calls, such is life.
Sellers with the most conservative BBL schemes do not always have
perfect FB. Sometimes, even they get burned. BUT, sellers that have
NO BBL scheme are far more likely to get hurt.
<< <i>
<< <i>WTF are you talking about?
I took all the IDs that people posted and made a compilation list and posted it. The compilation list is not *MINE*. Also for all I know NCDOLFAN is some alt stirring the pot. I could care less since they didn't reply. I could create a alt and come on here and claim my ID is on the list to give you more ammo...
I can see why someone would put you on their list. You seem like a loose cannon... >>
I think the rue loose cannon is showing himself >>
If you say so...
This whole topic is an old classic for me. BBL imo are worthless and always have been. Anyone with any kind of brain knows this. The fact that anyone would get peeved for being on anyone's BBL is a riot to me. I find it humorous that people think they are safe having a BBL. You really know you are not. I find it even more funny when people get their panties in a bunch when they are placed on a BBL. Ebay is a huge joke. Its been a joke long before everyone went to BINs. I been on ebay since 1999. I have seen it in its prime. Back when I first joined people would place jokes or leave bizarre comments for FB. Its kind of sad what it has become now.
~WalterSobchak
<< <i>What happens if a seller lists an auction for a football card, doesn't list his opinion of the grade/condition, and simply says "refer to the large front and back scan below for condition of card". Is he leaving himself open to getting a neg? or is supplying a ridiculously large scan enough?
Then IMO, you've done your best. Can you 100 % filter out all the riffraff............Nope, never, but once again IMO the best thing you did was NOT giving your opinion (Because when its all said and done...Its still just your opinion!!) on the condition. Unless there is something that can't be seen in the scan I don't get into the Grade of Cards, let the scan be your guide!!
Has kept away 99.9999% of the "card isn't what you said it is problems!!", cause I didn't say it was anything, I said look at the pretty picture and make up Your mind if you want it !!!
YeeHah
Neil
<< <i>
<< <i>What happens if a seller lists an auction for a football card, doesn't list his opinion of the grade/condition, and simply says "refer to the large front and back scan below for condition of card". Is he leaving himself open to getting a neg? or is supplying a ridiculously large scan enough?
>>
Then IMO, you've done your best. Can you 100 % filter out all the riffraff............Nope, never, but once again IMO the best thing you did was NOT giving your opinion (Because when its all said and done...Its still just your opinion!!) on the condition. Unless there is something that can't be seen in the scan I don't get into the Grade of Cards, let the scan be your guide!!
Has kept away 99.9999% of the "card isn't what you said it is problems!!", cause I didn't say it was anything, I said look at the pretty picture and make up Your mind if you want it !!!
YeeHah
Neil >>
FWIW, I'll probably never find any of your auctions, as I tend to include common grade abbreviations in my search criteria.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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<< <i>For me, I would rather have the large scan than an assigned grade, but that's just me. With the large scan like that, you get to see exactly what you are getting. Much better than assigning a grade IMO. >>
But it isn't an either-or thing. You can do both, and those are the auctions I gravitate toward - a seller with an assessment that I can evaluate for myself.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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Successful deals to date: thedudeabides,gameusedhoop,golfcollector,tigerdean,treetop,bkritz, CapeMOGuy,WeekendHacker,jeff8877,backbidder,Salinas,milbroco,bbuckner22,VitoCo1972,ddfamf,gemint,K,fatty macs,waltersobchak,dboneesq
<< <i>Unfortunately scanning cards like that probably costs me some bidders who like to "take a shot" on a card with a bad scan. Seeing a card that closely really pulls out the flaws, but at least it saves me some negative feedback. I'd rather have a satisfied customer than an extra $1.50. >>
You may think it costs you some bids on that item, but you should gain in repeat customers. That's what many sellers just don't get. Sadly, they think they make more money by misrepresenting an item and it's condition to "maximize profit", when in reality that just hurt themselves long term IMO.
If you honestly represent an item's condition, you should do better long term than the hack that says cards have no ceases and you get them and over half have creases.
<< <i>
<< <i>For me, I would rather have the large scan than an assigned grade, but that's just me. With the large scan like that, you get to see exactly what you are getting. Much better than assigning a grade IMO. >>
But it isn't an either-or thing. You can do both, and those are the auctions I gravitate toward - a seller with an assessment that I can evaluate for myself. >>
Afternoon,
And this isn't personal against you bking, just an example of what can happen, but then you the Buyer has the ammunition to come back and try and renegotiate the deal because you said it was a NM 7, but when I received it, I think it is only about a 6, so I want half my money back or I'm gonna Neg you. And by the way don't bother to tell me you'll refund me to include shipping, just send the card back, because I don't have the time for that, I want Instant Gratification, and if you don't do what I ask, then here comes the NEG !!!!!!!!!!!
I just had this happen last week on a Raw card with no Grade or condition assigned in the listing, but somehow I didn't represent the card well because I called it "Well used, Low Grade, with lots of wear, creases, Filler 1955 Bowman card". As I usually do, I refunded the Purchase, plus shipping, told him to just keep the card. Then Added the asswipe to my BBL and moved on!!!
YeeHah
Neil
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>For me, I would rather have the large scan than an assigned grade, but that's just me. With the large scan like that, you get to see exactly what you are getting. Much better than assigning a grade IMO. >>
But it isn't an either-or thing. You can do both, and those are the auctions I gravitate toward - a seller with an assessment that I can evaluate for myself. >>
Afternoon,
And this isn't personal against you bking, just an example of what can happen, but then you the Buyer has the ammunition to come back and try and renegotiate the deal because you said it was a NM 7, but when I received it, I think it is only about a 6, so I want half my money back or I'm gonna Neg you. And by the way don't bother to tell me you'll refund me to include shipping, just send the card back, because I don't have the time for that, I want Instant Gratification, and if you don't do what I ask, then here comes the NEG !!!!!!!!!!!
I just had this happen last week on a Raw card with no Grade or condition assigned in the listing, but somehow I didn't represent the card well because I called it "Well used, Low Grade, with lots of wear, creases, Filler 1955 Bowman card". As I usually do, I refunded the Purchase, plus shipping, told him to just keep the card. Then Added the asswipe to my BBL and moved on!!!
YeeHah
Neil
All very true... Sadly, the choice is to make ads that attract the right kind of buyer (hopefully repeat) and run the risk of the nuts showing up, or run ads that are too safe to be fully effective. Sucks... BTW, I think your ads that I'm following are well-done, even without the explicit grade identifiers, but I only found them because I was running a wider search in FB.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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