Board member Dpeck100 was the underbidder. I am not really sure what the strategy of the buyer here was (if the person that is now selling it is the same person who bought it). The item ended at $2104, and Dpeck was the next highest bidder at $2079. However, the third-highest bidder was only at $1777, so Dpeck and the buyer were the only two people who expressed interest in buying this card at more than $2000. To go from $2000 to $4250 is quite a leap in a matter of a month.
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the person that bought it is aware that Dpeck is such a hardcore collector, so they bought the card to dangle it out on eBay and tempt him to pay more for the card so they can make a profit. That, however, seems like a half-baked business strategy, as if Dpeck holds back, as I suspect he will, the seller will be stuck with the card.
The foregoing monologue is moot, however, if the seller is a dealer who bought the card from the person who won it because the person realized they could not afford it/did not want it.
I think DPeck should just wait it out and not increase his original offer from the auction. This might have a higher grade, but he has another one that looks better in my opinion. Only bid what you are willing to pay, but not to jack up the price on a known collector. I bid on some things that DPeck bids on, but only what I am willing to pay for the item. I know sometimes my efforts are likely fruitless, but I'd never pay more than what I want to.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Board member Dpeck100 was the underbidder. I am not really sure what the strategy of the buyer here was (if the person that is now selling it is the same person who bought it). The item ended at $2104, and Dpeck was the next highest bidder at $2079. However, the third-highest bidder was only at $1777, so Dpeck and the buyer were the only two people who expressed interest in buying this card at more than $2000. To go from $2000 to $4250 is quite a leap in a matter of a month.
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the person that bought it is aware that Dpeck is such a hardcore collector, so they bought the card to dangle it out on eBay and tempt him to pay more for the card so they can make a profit. That, however, seems like a half-baked business strategy, as if Dpeck holds back, as I suspect he will, the seller will be stuck with the card.
The foregoing monologue is moot, however, if the seller is a dealer who bought the card from the person who won it because the person realized they could not afford it/did not want it. >>
Afternoon,
Interesting breakdown on the action here. If your theory is correct, the Buyer has tied up a large amount of cash and will probably never see even that amount back, let alone a profit, I say this because I do vaguely remember dpeck saying he wouldn't ever pay more than he had bid that time basically.
Neil
Actually Collect Non Sport, but am just so full of myself I post all over the place !!!!!!!
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
You will never see a PSA 10 of the 1982 Wrestling All Stars Andre The Giant. There certainly is a posibility that other PSA 9's exist but if so it is not many for sure.
I am a little surprised at the move to purchase the card and then put it back up for twice the final closing price just a month ago.
I was the highest natural bidder in this auction so the odds of getting me to pay double a month later are zero. Someone asked me what I thought this card could sell for and I said I would pay $2,000 if it ever surfaced really not thinking one would. That was my max and I put a little extra on it just in case and lost.
I will be sitting this card out and if the seller plans on getting close to the asking price it won't be me.
I do plan on sending off a handfull of my stronger examples and time will tell how they do. I have gone crazy with the registry thing like many others and this was clearly one of the centerpieces I needed for my set and also wanted. I do think though that with 101 out of 108 of the cards with the highest grade available my sets will be just fine without it.
More power to the seller if they make a profit on this item.
I certainly wish that Dpeck100 had gotten the card in the first place since he really wanted the card for his collection. Its seems the seller probably didn't want the card from the start and just figured he could turn a profit on the card. I guess time will tell.
This set is one of the oddest things I've ever seen. It's been around for almost 30 years, and all of a sudden there's an unbelievable overnight demand for it in the past 18-months or so.
It may be odd but it is reality now........ there are enough people collecting these wrestling all star cards now.
BUYING Frank Gotch T229 Kopec Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
I think it is a combination of factors. There are a lot of people who have bought baseball cards and other key sports who have branched out to a number of different types of cards.
For example Garbage Pail Kids are popular, Mike Tyson, many non sport sets such as Three Stooges or Davey Crockett or Mars Attacks etc. I think the biggest factor is that many of the stars in the sets were big in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and a few still to this day.
Professional wrestling has been huge part of the American culture from the mid 50's and while it may not have the same appeal today, that is not the dirving force behind these cards. The vast majority of people have either liked wrestling at one point or at least watched it and many have a favorite or favorites and many are represented in these sets. When you look at the star line up that includes Hulk Hogan, Andre The Giant, Ric Flair, Jesse Ventura, Dusty Rhodes, JYD, and many more top stars, this is their first appearance on a trading card. You have to go back to 1954 and 1955 to find another wrestling card set on traditional card stock.
The supply of these cards is dramatically smaller then any set of cards that I am aware of from the 1980's. I believe the fact that they were not offered in packs and therefore you can't just get on BBCX and find a sealed box has added to the collector interest. It has been at least 9 months since a sealed set of the 1982 Wrestling All Stars A and B have been offered on EBAY and the last ones sold for $1,425 and $425. (There is a terrible looking sealed set of 82A offered at $3500 but no chance of selling with the condition)
These cards have a perfect recipe for PSA graded card collectors as many have never been graded a PSA 10 and won't be. I just won a PSA 8 Matt Borne a few nights ago for $67. This guy is by no means a super popular card from the set. He was Doink The Clown later in his career if that tells you anything. This card will never surface in a PSA 10 and I am certain of that. I am not really confident it will surface in a PSA 9. I have around of 18 of this card and this recent purchase is the only one in a PSA 8. This card is the last card in the set and there are more 1983 Wrestling All Stars still sealed out there then any of the three sets. Nine times out of ten the brick has dinged corners and the last card is affected the most. The card also has in many cases lots of blue little circles all over it. This type of rarity in card condition coinciding with the rarity of the card itself gets people interested.
Overall there are many factors that have made the interest in these pick up but I don't think you can point to anyone factor. People like to collect things and that is the reason we are all here.
I still say a PSA 10 will pop one day of the Giant's RC. I have a feeling you Dpeck. Will be the one to pop its cherry. Anything is possible. They said a 1971 Topps #100 Pete Rose PSA 10 would be impossible and very unlikely. Then 2-3 years later one popped. Gotta have faith...
<< <i>I think it is a combination of factors. There are a lot of people who have bought baseball cards and other key sports who have branched out to a number of different types of cards.
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Overall there are many factors that have made the interest in these pick up but I don't think you can point to anyone factor. People like to collect things and that is the reason we are all here. >>
Don't disagree with anything you're saying, but it just seems odd that this set was available as recently as three or four years ago for very low prices. Why didn't this set blow up in '98 or '99 when the Tiger Woods golf cards were crazy or even in 2004/2005. Why did it wait until 2009 or so when it's been out there the entire time.
I came across them by chance and once I got a set I was hooked. I had never seen them prior to 2009. The same could also be true about Mike Tyson collectables. His cards were not hot at all until the past 12 months and had been out there for quite some time.
I think the information gets shared on the internet and people take notice.
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The only thing I can think of is that maybe the person that bought it is aware that Dpeck is such a hardcore collector, so they bought the card to dangle it out on eBay and tempt him to pay more for the card so they can make a profit. That, however, seems like a half-baked business strategy, as if Dpeck holds back, as I suspect he will, the seller will be stuck with the card.
The foregoing monologue is moot, however, if the seller is a dealer who bought the card from the person who won it because the person realized they could not afford it/did not want it.
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>Board member Dpeck100 was the underbidder. I am not really sure what the strategy of the buyer here was (if the person that is now selling it is the same person who bought it). The item ended at $2104, and Dpeck was the next highest bidder at $2079. However, the third-highest bidder was only at $1777, so Dpeck and the buyer were the only two people who expressed interest in buying this card at more than $2000. To go from $2000 to $4250 is quite a leap in a matter of a month.
The only thing I can think of is that maybe the person that bought it is aware that Dpeck is such a hardcore collector, so they bought the card to dangle it out on eBay and tempt him to pay more for the card so they can make a profit. That, however, seems like a half-baked business strategy, as if Dpeck holds back, as I suspect he will, the seller will be stuck with the card.
The foregoing monologue is moot, however, if the seller is a dealer who bought the card from the person who won it because the person realized they could not afford it/did not want it. >>
Afternoon,
Interesting breakdown on the action here. If your theory is correct, the Buyer has tied up a large amount of cash and will probably never see even that amount back, let alone a profit, I say this because I do vaguely remember dpeck saying he wouldn't ever pay more than he had bid that time basically.
Neil
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
<< <i>I hope DPeck makes it a Pop 2 >>
"Live everyday, don't throw it away"
I am hoping Dpeck pops a 10!!!!!
Edit add: Added the smiley face...
I am a little surprised at the move to purchase the card and then put it back up for twice the final closing price just a month ago.
I was the highest natural bidder in this auction so the odds of getting me to pay double a month later are zero. Someone asked me what I thought this card could sell for and I said I would pay $2,000 if it ever surfaced really not thinking one would. That was my max and I put a little extra on it just in case and lost.
I will be sitting this card out and if the seller plans on getting close to the asking price it won't be me.
I do plan on sending off a handfull of my stronger examples and time will tell how they do. I have gone crazy with the registry thing like many others and this was clearly one of the centerpieces I needed for my set and also wanted. I do think though that with 101 out of 108 of the cards with the highest grade available my sets will be just fine without it.
More power to the seller if they make a profit on this item.
<< <i>I would love to see pictures of this card. >>
IMO the card was OC and it wasn't a strong PSA 9. Best scans are on Link 2.
Here is the current BIN
Link 1
Here is the auction the seller won it
Link 2
Looking to BUY n332 1889 SF Hess cards and high grade cards from 19th century especially. "Once you have wrestled everything else in life is easy" Dan Gable
For example Garbage Pail Kids are popular, Mike Tyson, many non sport sets such as Three Stooges or Davey Crockett or Mars Attacks etc. I think the biggest factor is that many of the stars in the sets were big in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, 90's and a few still to this day.
Professional wrestling has been huge part of the American culture from the mid 50's and while it may not have the same appeal today, that is not the dirving force behind these cards. The vast majority of people have either liked wrestling at one point or at least watched it and many have a favorite or favorites and many are represented in these sets. When you look at the star line up that includes Hulk Hogan, Andre The Giant, Ric Flair, Jesse Ventura, Dusty Rhodes, JYD, and many more top stars, this is their first appearance on a trading card. You have to go back to 1954 and 1955 to find another wrestling card set on traditional card stock.
The supply of these cards is dramatically smaller then any set of cards that I am aware of from the 1980's. I believe the fact that they were not offered in packs and therefore you can't just get on BBCX and find a sealed box has added to the collector interest. It has been at least 9 months since a sealed set of the 1982 Wrestling All Stars A and B have been offered on EBAY and the last ones sold for $1,425 and $425. (There is a terrible looking sealed set of 82A offered at $3500 but no chance of selling with the condition)
These cards have a perfect recipe for PSA graded card collectors as many have never been graded a PSA 10 and won't be. I just won a PSA 8 Matt Borne a few nights ago for $67. This guy is by no means a super popular card from the set. He was Doink The Clown later in his career if that tells you anything. This card will never surface in a PSA 10 and I am certain of that. I am not really confident it will surface in a PSA 9. I have around of 18 of this card and this recent purchase is the only one in a PSA 8. This card is the last card in the set and there are more 1983 Wrestling All Stars still sealed out there then any of the three sets. Nine times out of ten the brick has dinged corners and the last card is affected the most. The card also has in many cases lots of blue little circles all over it. This type of rarity in card condition coinciding with the rarity of the card itself gets people interested.
Overall there are many factors that have made the interest in these pick up but I don't think you can point to anyone factor. People like to collect things and that is the reason we are all here.
<< <i>I think it is a combination of factors. There are a lot of people who have bought baseball cards and other key sports who have branched out to a number of different types of cards.
.....
Overall there are many factors that have made the interest in these pick up but I don't think you can point to anyone factor. People like to collect things and that is the reason we are all here. >>
Don't disagree with anything you're saying, but it just seems odd that this set was available as recently as three or four years ago for very low prices. Why didn't this set blow up in '98 or '99 when the Tiger Woods golf cards were crazy or even in 2004/2005. Why did it wait until 2009 or so when it's been out there the entire time.
I think the information gets shared on the internet and people take notice.