How rare is unopened 1960's product?

topps1959guy · September 11, 2011 2:38PM

mlbfan2 · September 11, 2011 2:45PM

<< He has, no joke, about 10 wax boxes from each year (1958 through 1964) that are unopened. >>

Wow! It's pretty amazing either way, but do you mean 10 boxes total or 70 (10 x 7) boxes total?

topps1959guy · September 11, 2011 2:51PM

From the 20 minutes he let me look at them, anywhere from 5 to 10 from each year. It also seemed like the packs were scrunched (for lack of a better word), like the gum was stuck to one of the cards in every pack. Led me to believe they were kept in a garage or something, humidity may have gotten to some. Something tells me they were hidden out of sight so they wouldn't get tossed by a wife's "cleaning".

grote15 · September 11, 2011 2:56PM

< He has, no joke, about 10 wax boxes from each year (1958 through 1964) that are unopened. >>

Wow! It's pretty amazing either way, but do you mean 10 boxes total or 70 (10 x 7) boxes total?

If that is correct, you are talking about millions of dollars, no exaggeration..

Piggs · September 11, 2011 3:00PM

My friend you may have a find on your hands. Prying them out of this guys hands may be different issue. Please keep us posted on this, as it is very rare to say the least. Doug

topps1959guy · September 11, 2011 3:01PM

I told him that, he just kept laughing and saying his 401K was just for "kicks and giggles". I walked out and his wife was evening laughing about it. It was almost surreal.

Piggs · September 11, 2011 3:06PM

What is your next step? I would go to the bank for a loan in the morning if I were you

Seriously, I would really love to here what the other guys here think would be the smart thing to do.

topps1959guy · September 11, 2011 3:11PM

Don't worry, going to chat with him in the morning. First thing before I get to my desk.

Piggs · September 11, 2011 3:14PM

<< Photos or it never happened

>>

It would be great if you could snap a few photos and post. It would make our day, month or year.

TheTalkingWalnut · September 11, 2011 3:28PM

I'm a folklorist, so I'm neutral on this thread. But my family IS from Cleveland. Poor Russian peasant immigrants and proud of it. Long story short, I told these boards a couple years ago about how my weird cousin Mike died and I got his cards. I pulled them from under his bed in a 1967 shoebox. This was in 2008. The receipt for the shoes was still in the box. I had a handful graded, one 1970 PSA 9, a bunch of 8s, mostly 5s and 6s so far. I still hold out hope for the 1970 tallboy basketballs that I haven't sent in yet.

So yeah, it could happen. I've seen it myself cleaning out basements for 5 bucks an hour 15 years ago. WWII medals, 1890 Sears catalogs thrown right in the trash. I still kick myself. But what I want to know is: what ever happened to that old mom and pop drugstore with all the unopened 30s packs that was mentioned here a while back? Did they back up the Ft Knox truck for that auction or what?

stevek · September 11, 2011 7:36PM

<<< How rare is unopened 1960's product? >>>

Here's an example of vintage unopened pack prices from one of the largest, most reliable sellers.

http://www.bbcexchange.com/itemcatalog.aspx?categoryid=2

leadoff4 · September 11, 2011 8:36PM

Pics? Almost all cell phones have cameras these days. Snap a few quick photos of the boxes.

handyman · September 11, 2011 8:51PM

1958 Wax box!! WOW that a quarter of a million dollars right there.
10,000-15000.00 a PACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK wait 10 boxes of 1958. 2,000,000.00 at least but with that many boxes of each it will make it probably 1,200,000.00 for the 10 boxes at least
So
1958 1,000,000-1,200,000.00 (10boxes) If you have 10 boxes that would flood the market so the price will come down
1959 200,000.00-300,000 (10boxes)
1960 100,000-150,000 (10boxes)
1961 120,000-160,000
1962 120,000-160,000
1963 120,000-160,000
1964 120,000-160,000

Wax boxes alone are at least 2,500,000.00
Amazing collection if real. PM me if you need any advice. Good for your friend!!
NOW these prices might change if all this came out to the public at the same time Im sure you understand. The reason 1958s are worth so much is because nobody can find it. But if you have 240 packs of the stuff it might be hard to keep getting 10,000 a pack(if you really do have 10 boxes of the stuff, I think the price would settle at 2500 a pack) Its a tricky thing to maximize your profits with this type of stuff in bulk. But I think the first box to hit the market would fetch 200,000.00 but it might not if the buyer knew you might sell 9 other boxes some day soon. I think there are more finds like this out there. Some of the Baby boomers knew cards were worth money. I have a high school buddy that his dad did the same thing in 1960-1964 but he didnt keep unopened he just put them in a box like you said. He still has them and they are like you say Nm-Mt to Mint and not in binders just in boxes. He wont sell untill hes gone I think. Love these kind of stories!

handyman · September 11, 2011 9:03PM

"how many other people are just sitting on unopened material?"
Only other guy I know who has anything like this.
There is one guy who has a few cases of 1964 Topps baseball high seires but thats it. 1958s just do not exist unopened!! 1 pack will sell for what 1 box of 1964 sells for.
Amazing if real!!

miconelegacy · September 11, 2011 9:22PM

I can't wait to see how this turns out. Instead of trying to buy the collection, maybe offer to sell it for him for 10 or 15%. That would get you several hundred thousand for maximizing the value with PSA etc.

This is incredible!!!

Dboneesq · September 11, 2011 9:48PM

WOW. Would be one of the most amazing unopened finds ever! Keep us informed and let us know what happens.

topps1959guy · September 11, 2011 10:59PM

Decided to delete the story until I talk to him again. My guess is that he'll sell some off, then give some to his two sons.

hammered · September 12, 2011 12:08AM

<< Decided to delete the story until I talk to him again. My guess is that he'll sell some off, then give some to his two sons. >>

Why?

Probstein123 · September 12, 2011 12:20AM

if you need financing, LMK

stevek · September 12, 2011 12:32AM

From the gist of the story if I'm remembering right, it didn't sound as though the collector wanted to sell...but just wanted to sorta show off the collection to a fellow card collector he works with.

One thing for sure if the collector can be advised...that's a really, really bad idea keeping those cards at home, and I do mean a really bad idea. Should get them in a large safe deposit box as soon as possible, or multiple boxes if needed.

itzagoner · September 12, 2011 12:44AM

wow. i go away for a day and come back to find an empty bag and a cat that got out of it.

hope to see a few pics of this stuff. good luck.

Piggs · September 12, 2011 1:05AM

It's your choice but I don't think you should have deleted the story. It's not like you gave out the guys name and address, and I personally think it's a great story that should be shared while keeping the guy's identity secret. Not sure if you were prepared for the response, PM's or what but I think and hope you change your mind and let us follow the story. Doug

Dboneesq · September 12, 2011 1:12AM

Of course it's your right to delete your entry, but why?

jimrad · September 12, 2011 1:21AM

I can understand why he might delete the story if the amount of $$ involved in the find make him
afraid that it could get overwhelming.
I think you would do yourself a favor by striking a deal with either Rick Probstein or BBCE
for a finders fee and let them work it out. They would be able to maximize your friends treasure.
Good Luck

mlbfan2 · September 12, 2011 1:43AM

<< 1958 Wax box!! WOW that a quarter of a million dollars right there.
10,000-15000.00 a PACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>

Are they really worth that much? I found two auctions for 1958 packs (cello), and the prices were $676 and $823.

link1
link2

grote15 · September 12, 2011 1:51AM

A quarter millio for a 58 wax box is way higher than retail. BBCE was selling a full 55 wax box for 40K at the National a couple years back.

handyman · September 12, 2011 2:02AM

the 1955 Topps was water damaged I thought.
And I think that was from the rosen find? How many boxes came from that find? I thought was more that 50+? of each box. Does someone remember that find? Paris?

Ah found it

Purchaser of the Paris, TN Find which amounted to over 500 unopened wax boxes of 1954 and 1955 Topps and Bowman baseball cards. In addition, there were over 250 1954 and 1955 Bowman football unopened wax boxes, not to mention, over 100 Mint-condition 1955 Bowman baseball sets. Current market value? Over $7 million!

now that is flooding the market.
So i still think a wax box of 1958 would sell for 200,000. WAX... And it does not compare to cello in my book.
1955 is way more common bc of this find i think

200k is probably high but i wouldnt doubt that number. Those packs just dont exist. We have had finds from most years but not 1958 it seems.
10 boxes is a lot but not 500. It would be better if they were all different series.
Your friend really does need to protect them and do something with them though. But if hes happy thats all that matters.

Dboneesq · September 12, 2011 3:20AM

<< I think you would do yourself a favor by striking a deal with either Rick Probstein or BBCE
for a finders fee and let them work it out. They would be able to maximize your friends treasure.
Good Luck >>

Jim ... a VERY wise suggestion. ToppsGuy ... you should be able to get a nice finders fee this way!

digicat · September 12, 2011 4:21AM

<< unopened Christmas rack pack >>

Those those things are aftermarket packs. Topps didn't make them.

itzagoner · September 12, 2011 4:27AM

lol @ "very vintage" packs on ebay.

Nikklos · September 12, 2011 5:24AM

Nikklos · September 12, 2011 5:26AM

This got me thinking - this 1969 Topps rack pack just sold on Ebay for $294 and has a Seaver back?? I know the description makes mention of "possible rewrap" but still...

jeffcbay · September 12, 2011 5:41AM

Yeah I'd say re-wrap, especially since the Seaver has a wax stain on the back.

gemint · September 12, 2011 6:13AM

<< Yeah I'd say re-wrap, especially since the Seaver has a wax stain on the back. >>

stevek · September 12, 2011 6:45AM

<< Yeah I'd say re-wrap, especially since the Seaver has a wax stain on the back. >>

Post Of The Day - the voting is unanimous. LOL

hammered · September 12, 2011 6:54AM

Wow, that's a great way to get rid of old NM commons....

grote15 · September 12, 2011 8:25AM

That 69 rack wasn't resealed...it was completely fabricated! What a joke!

Edit to add: Even the header card is fake! LOL..

ldferg · September 12, 2011 1:59PM

What happened to all of the unopened wax from the Paris find?

vladguerrero · September 12, 2011 2:13PM

I would say this find could be worth a billion dollars, 1958 packs alone about $100k each.

handyman · September 12, 2011 2:21PM

LOL
I respect wax packs, 1958 is an important year.
talking to a wall I guess.

"What happened to all of the unopened wax from the Paris find? "
It was all sold. So it is now in the public.

NiceDocter · September 12, 2011 3:01PM

I bought a 1960 Fleer unopened wax pack for $2000 dollars, I wasnt sure if it was real or not so I cautiously slid the pack open and HOLY MOLEY I got an autographed 1960 Babe Ruth and it was in fountain pen so I know its real! Whos laughing now suckas??????

handyman · September 12, 2011 3:20PM

Ok. 1958 wax packs are worth .05 cents.
and 1960 fleer packs which have autos are 100% not authentic and worth -2,000.00

jeffcbay · September 12, 2011 3:22PM

Well they were auto redemption cards, so they're WAY expired by now.

MacrosB · September 12, 2011 7:32PM

I agree wholeheratly about the 58 packs. Back when I was buying alot I was able to find 57 and 59 packs and I have 3 boxes of 1960 packs myself but I never was presented with a chance to buy a 58 wax pack or even saw one in person.

Jim

Griffins · September 13, 2011 12:12AM

'58 is the 2nd toughest regular issue Topps pack. The last legit one sold for just short of $10k.
If a box were to hit the market the price would crash. Look what happened to '64 Standups after the box was bought and almost immediately every pack was listed.
I"m assuming we're talking about boxes of nickel packs here, and not penny or cellos, which are considerably easier.

corvette1340 · September 13, 2011 1:15AM

<< if you need financing, LMK >>

+1 . in fact, if this is real and can be verified, I will fly to wherever it is and make a cash offer. Check your pm's

mlbfan2 · September 13, 2011 1:28AM

I found two auctions for 1958 wax packs. One was from 2010 (ebay - $5,500), and one was from 2005 (Lelands - $5,260). link

leathtech · September 14, 2011 4:09AM

any updates???? would still love to see some pics!

KeepItWarm · September 14, 2011 4:52AM

TheTalkingWalnut · September 23, 2011 4:29AM

hope the rain isn't damaging all of that unopened 50s/60s product

bxb · September 23, 2011 4:35AM

<< I bought a 1960 Fleer unopened wax pack for $2000 dollars, I wasnt sure if it was real or not so I cautiously slid the pack open and HOLY MOLEY I got an autographed 1960 Babe Ruth and it was in fountain pen so I know its real! Whos laughing now suckas??????

>>

I assume you are joking.

Of course, Babe Ruth died in 1948, so it is unlikely he signed a 1960 Fleer card.

How rare is unopened 1960's product?

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