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1969 Topps Cello Pack Rip
Nikklos
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Thought I would share the results of a recent 1969 cello pack rip. I decided to open as we waited for Hurricane Irene to blow through...
Centering was an issue throughout the pack.
Decent slugger - unfortunately not a star.
Very happy to get this. But the centering is off.
Love it but again centering is way off. By the way, this was the back card but there was no notation of such on the PSA slab.
Question - are any of these "White Letter variations"? I am really unschooled on the whole topic.
Centering was an issue throughout the pack.
Decent slugger - unfortunately not a star.
Very happy to get this. But the centering is off.
Love it but again centering is way off. By the way, this was the back card but there was no notation of such on the PSA slab.
Question - are any of these "White Letter variations"? I am really unschooled on the whole topic.
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What the heck is a White Letter variation anyway?
Also, great pack rip and nice score with two HOFers, off center or not. Thanks for sharing!
It is strange, because on EBAY, I have seen McCoveys advertised as "White Letter variations" and the PSA slab notes "Last Name in White".
<< <i>The McCovey and Bolin look white to me. >>
It does?
<< <i>The McCovey and Bolin look white to me. >>
<< <i>They are, but there is not a yellow letter variation for those >>
Maybe I'm just anemic or have jaundice but they sure look yellow to me.
The yellow in your Mantle is definitely more pronounced than any yellow in my McCovey.
There is a McCovey white letter variation but yours is definitely yellow.
Not a bad rip at all except of course for the centering.
There was one question asked.
<< <i>I guess some of us can afford to learn as we go.
There was one question asked. >>
You're OK Nikklos. At least you didn't run for the door after the first snarky answer. BTW, helluva rip!
<< <i> they are a limited resource! >>
The only limited resource here was the pack that you opened. None of those cards are rare or will ever be rare. The pack on the other hand....
Unopened packs are scarce and getting scarcer but the price only has appreciated to coincide to the potential of the cards inside. It's a bit of arbitrage.
Pulling a gem mint, no ding, no print spot, perfectly centered card can bring you tenfold of what you paid for the pack itself.
Maybe it's a sucker bet but unlike, let's say the Market, it sure is fun to open those packs.
<< <i>And this is the gambler in me talking - gambling whether it be unopened packs, blackjack or the Market:
Unopened packs are scarce and getting scarcer but the price only has appreciated to coincide to the potential of the cards inside. It's a bit of arbitrage.
Pulling a gem mint, no ding, no print spot, perfectly centered card can bring you tenfold of what you paid for the pack itself.
Maybe it's a sucker bet but unlike, let's say the Market, it sure is fun to open those packs. >>
Enjoyed the rip, Nikklos. Thanks for sharing.
Some guy driving a Corvette will come by later and offer you $0.99 for the lot.
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<< <i>And this is the gambler in me talking - gambling whether it be unopened packs, blackjack or the Market:
Unopened packs are scarce and getting scarcer but the price only has appreciated to coincide to the potential of the cards inside. It's a bit of arbitrage.
Pulling a gem mint, no ding, no print spot, perfectly centered card can bring you tenfold of what you paid for the pack itself.
Maybe it's a sucker bet but unlike, let's say the Market, it sure is fun to open those packs. >>
Enjoyed the rip, Nikklos. Thanks for sharing.
Some guy driving a Corvette will come by later and offer you $0.99 for the lot. >>
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
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stupid print dots
The value in that pack is in keeping it sealed, as you will lose at least 1 of the 5 cards to gum damage and possibly one other to wax, leaving you with only 3 other cards.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I'm really tempted to buy this from BBCE and rip it. But $700 for 5 cards? Those aren't good odds of pulling the Mantle or Bench... But verrry tempting.
Wouldn't you be better off buying the Mantle and the Bench in PSA 8 and keeping the change?
<< <i>pm sent. >>
lol. bow chicka bow wow.
These vintage PSA slabbed packs are way overpriced by the big dealers in my opinion, but I guess just like Levi, they can afford to wait around and try to get their price.
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The value in that pack is in keeping it sealed, as you will lose at least 1 of the 5 cards to gum damage and possibly one other to wax, leaving you with only 3 other cards. >>
Yeah, yeah... You sealed pack collectors...
But this one should have 4 decent cards as there is a game card in there that will hopefully take the brunt of the wax or gum.
<< <i>If you're gonna rip, buying that pack is a sucker's bet for sure. I mean you can buy a PSA 8 Mantle for around $400 give or take a few dollars either way, and of course a 9 would be worth around 3 times that, but you're spending $700 to possibly, "possibly" find a Mantle, and the odds are it won't grade a 9 anyway, probably not even an 8. Yes, there are other cards in there for possible good value, but in any event, it's simply a terrible bet to rip that pack if the intent is to try to make a profit. Maybe if the pack sold for around $200 or $250, I'd buy it and take a shot with the odds being about even.
These vintage PSA slabbed packs are way overpriced by the big dealers in my opinion, but I guess just like Levi, they can afford to wait around and try to get their price. >>
I agree with everything you said. You're 100% correct. HOWEVER, there is still something inside of me that says "Opennnn ittttttt....." Unless I find a Delorean and 1.21 jigawatts, I'm never going to be able to go back and open a 60's pack. Of course, the most likely scenario is that I'll pull 5 commons that grade 6-7 and lose $650. But what if WHAT IF, this was that one magical pack with a Gem Mint Mantle or Bench right in the middle of the pack?
That's why I open everything I buy. And that's why I'm busting a CASE of '91 Score right now. Because 1 in every 47 cases have a Mantle auto card. Ha!
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<< <i>The value in that pack is in keeping it sealed, as you will lose at least 1 of the 5 cards to gum damage and possibly one other to wax, leaving you with only 3 other cards. >>
Yeah, yeah... You sealed pack collectors...
But this one should have 4 decent cards as there is a game card in there that will hopefully take the brunt of the wax or gum. >>
You still aren't convincing me Jarrod.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Collecting:
Any unopened Baseball cello and rack packs and boxes from the 1970's and early 1980s.
<< <i>If you're gonna rip, buying that pack is a sucker's bet for sure. I mean you can buy a PSA 8 Mantle for around $400 give or take a few dollars either way, and of course a 9 would be worth around 3 times that, but you're spending $700 to possibly, "possibly" find a Mantle, and the odds are it won't grade a 9 anyway, probably not even an 8. Yes, there are other cards in there for possible good value, but in any event, it's simply a terrible bet to rip that pack if the intent is to try to make a profit. Maybe if the pack sold for around $200 or $250, I'd buy it and take a shot with the odds being about even.
These vintage PSA slabbed packs are way overpriced by the big dealers in my opinion, but I guess just like Levi, they can afford to wait around and try to get their price. >>
I agree with this logic. Ripping that pack is not great odds, but you never know. As they say in Vegas. "Ya gotta be in it to win it."
<< <i>
<< <i>If you're gonna rip, buying that pack is a sucker's bet for sure. I mean you can buy a PSA 8 Mantle for around $400 give or take a few dollars either way, and of course a 9 would be worth around 3 times that, but you're spending $700 to possibly, "possibly" find a Mantle, and the odds are it won't grade a 9 anyway, probably not even an 8. Yes, there are other cards in there for possible good value, but in any event, it's simply a terrible bet to rip that pack if the intent is to try to make a profit. Maybe if the pack sold for around $200 or $250, I'd buy it and take a shot with the odds being about even.
These vintage PSA slabbed packs are way overpriced by the big dealers in my opinion, but I guess just like Levi, they can afford to wait around and try to get their price. >>
I agree with everything you said. You're 100% correct. HOWEVER, there is still something inside of me that says "Opennnn ittttttt....." Unless I find a Delorean and 1.21 jigawatts, I'm never going to be able to go back and open a 60's pack. Of course, the most likely scenario is that I'll pull 5 commons that grade 6-7 and lose $650. But what if WHAT IF, this was that one magical pack with a Gem Mint Mantle or Bench right in the middle of the pack?
That's why I open everything I buy. And that's why I'm busting a CASE of '91 Score right now. Because 1 in every 47 cases have a Mantle auto card. Ha! >>
Oh yea, I understand what you're saying, and I "regularly" when I'm in the mood, search ebay for a deal on 1960's unopened packs that are legit. My viewpoint is simply the math...putting up $700 for this pack to try to find the ultimate card, a PSA 9 Mantle in which one just sold on ebay for $1,295 (link below), simply isn't a good risk in my viewpoint.
Ebay 1968 Mantle PSA 9
I'm not sure what the proper pricing for vintage unopened packs really should be compared to the risk of finding equal value cards if opening a number of packs. I already guessed $200 to $250 for this pack, and it may even be lower, I doubt if it is that much higher.
I would agree, the "fun factor" certainly is a consideration. There are some Youtube videos showing these vintage rips, and I found it quite entertaining watching these rips and it wasn't even my rip and I wasn't even there. LOL
Someday when I find the right deal, I'll do a live rip here...and if the "right deal" never comes along...oh well...for me the hunt is half the fun.
Thanks for sharing.