justin verlander wins 20th game

lwehlers

verlander just won his 20th game tonight. how many games does anyone think he will end up. he has maybe six or seven starts left. can he win 25 games this year. when was the last pitcher to win 25 games in a season.

Barndog

I remember when Guidry went 25-3 (IIRC). He was unstoppable that year...like Verlander this year. Just owned whomever he faced

grote15

Welch won 27 games with the A's in 1990.

Garabaldi

<< <i>Welch won 27 games with the A's in 1990. >>



I remember that, nobody has really come close.

WinPitcher

Steve Stone won 25 in 1980

The last person to come close was Randy Johnson in 02 with 24.

I also think one of the Braves pitchers won 24 also around that time or a tad earlier.

Smoltz maybe?

MeteoriteGuy

Bret Saberhagen had 23 in 1989. (Yes, I have to refer to Saberhagen into half my postings in the sport talk forum).

zendude

I say he gets 23 and easily wins the CY and finishes in the top 3 in MVP voting. Awesome season he's having.

jwgators

I would love to see him put up 25. Gooden had 24 is his miracle 1985 and Clemens followed with 24 in 86.

Tabe

<< <i>I also think one of the Braves pitchers won 24 also around that time or a tad earlier.

Smoltz maybe? >>


Smoltz went 24-8 in 1996.

Welch was 27-6 in 1990. I think Roger Clemens, with his 1.93 ERA and 21-6 record, was a better choice for the Cy Young that year than Welch.

Trivia: Who was the last guy to win exactly 26 games?

Tabe

p.s. FWIW, I think Verlander ends up with 24.

ymarea

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<< <i>...Trivia: Who was the last guy to win exactly 26 games?

Tabe

p.s. FWIW, I think Verlander ends up with 24. >>




Juan Marichal, SF, 1968

RoarIn84

Wins are the most overrated stat in the sport. They are a team effort and have no bearing on Cy or MVP voting. For his 20th, it was definitely a complete team effort because JV was off his game. Granted, the HP umpire had a pea size Kzone. I think JV wins it over Weaver for many reasons besides wins. Weaver simply cannot stay composed and lets his emotions take him over, while JV stays cool and doesn't let the game get away. That said, JV will go 24-6!!!! Yeah, I gave him a loss...

Tabe

<< <i>Wins are the most overrated stat in the sport. They are a team effort and have no bearing on Cy or MVP voting. >>


I think you meant to say "saves" here.

They might have meant something in 1973 when John Hiller was getting 38 of them but they lost all meaning right around the time Tony Larussa took over Oakland...

Tabe

jwgators

<< <i>Wins are the most overrated stat in the sport. They are a team effort and have no bearing on Cy or MVP voting. For his 20th, it was definitely a complete team effort because JV was off his game. Granted, the HP umpire had a pea size Kzone. I think JV wins it over Weaver for many reasons besides wins. Weaver simply cannot stay composed and lets his emotions take him over, while JV stays cool and doesn't let the game get away. That said, JV will go 24-6!!!! Yeah, I gave him a loss... >>



Wins are absolutely overrated, but the CY Young/MVP voters have only recently started to see this with Greinke and Felix.

KeepItWarm

Verlander is incredible - esp this year.

The guy can flat out pitch...and pitch...and pitch. Piling up innings are not an issue for him. There are times when I think umps give him special calls, but i'll take it every time.

Just PLEASE...win the division.

Mickey71

He'll win 21.