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1958-D/Inverted D - Ready for Jefferson Complete Variety Set!

BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
PCGS needs to pull the trigger on this one and add it to the list of coins in the Complete Variety Set! It is listed in the Fourth Edition Cherry Pickers Appendix, but was not featured in the main text. This variety is featured on John Wexler's website and noted in James Wiles' Jefferson Nickel RPM Book.

Who agrees?
What other varieties should be added? 1953-D/Inverted D for another!

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  • Looks like a worthy variety for inclusion in the Complete Variety Set.

    How scarce is this one?
  • Tdec1000Tdec1000 Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭
    Im pretty sure this one is extremely scare and the notation by PCGS as a minor variety is a joke. I have searched hundreds of rolls and bank bags looking for this one to no avail.
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  • Tdec1000Tdec1000 Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭
    Great coin by the way!! I love it BigDowgie....if you ever decide to sell it let me know first please! image
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  • mingotmingot Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭
    I had a few rolls of 58-D that I was so hoping might have one of these.

    Alas ...

    That's a great coin!
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks!

    On rarity, the only record I have seen is with CONECA and they show a population of 8. Other than this, I can only provide my assessment of rarity as "a really tough one!"

    I have been fortunate enough to have viewed 3 in ICG holders. This coin is one of them.
  • djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭
    Anyone know what one of these is worth? I remember having a blast white ngc graded 58 D in MS 66 6FS and from what I remember I think the mint mark looked like that.
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    djd - show us the goods and let a bidding war decide what it is worth!
  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What other varieties should be added? >>



    The 1977-D Kennedy DDO is in the exact same scenario in that its listed in the Appendix of Volume 2 but not in the main text.

    Unfortunately, since PCGS usually relies heavily upon the "pictures" in the CPG for attribution (vs other more reliable documentation) they'll not budge on including the coin.

    On the PLUS side, there's nothing preventing a dedicated collector from searching for and collecting these for their complete sets.
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  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    19Lyds,

    Nice to know Tom has a something in common with John.
  • djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>djd - show us the goods and let a bidding war decide what it is worth! >>



    I already sold the coin on ebay image. I will be super mad if this variety is worth a hefty premium. I got $100 for the coin on the bay. When I get a chance to go on my other computer I believe I still have pics of the coin. I pray it wasn't this variety lol.
  • The coin is worth a hefty premium, like 20x what you sold it for.
  • djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>The coin is worth a hefty premium, like 20x what you sold it for. >>



    Say it ain't so image@#$$!
  • I sold a low end 64 in a ICG holder for almost $2k, so a lock 65 or nicer I would expect $2700-$4000 easy! My PCGS 53 D/D Inverted I gave away at $450 and am surprised my nicer BU example is still for sale for less? When these coins hit the CPG they will rake in huge bucks. The 58 D/D is exceedingly RARE and the 53 D/D very, very tough making the 42 D/D and 46 D/D seem like pocket change!
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    djd,

    Tough one! It would be nice for us collectors to know an MS66FS sample exists, but for you to know you sold it.......maybe you don't want to know!
  • I don't think there are any FS coins are there Mike?
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    No FS coins for this variety that I know about!
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yup! I'm in the hunt for this one as well. Never mind what PCGS thinks. All someone has to do to understand this variety is to look at the minute detail of the inverted D under the D, how the back of the underlying D can easily be seen. This is an awesome variety, Period!

    I believe it's value most likely exceeds that of the 1953-D/InvertedD. Someone paid $1300 for a MS66 and I did a trade close to that amount for a ms66 example that I once had. So a MS66 1958-D/Inverted might be in the $1800 to $3500 range.


    Leo

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  • djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>djd,

    Tough one! It would be nice for us collectors to know an MS66FS sample exists, but for you to know you sold it.......maybe you don't want to know! >>



    Nope now I have to know! Im gonna try and get to my other computer tonight. I really hope it wasn't image.
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    Leo,

    With an ICG MS64 (TN forgot to mention this!) close to the bottom of the range you suggested, an MS65 would come in close to that top number. Until an MS66 shows up or one with FS, either one might pop in over that range!

    I agree with a previous comment, "never mind what PCGS says", this is a great coin in any grade!
  • djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭
    Well here are the pics of the coin i sold for $100. As you can see it has razor sharp steps, is semi proof like, and is blast white. Looking at the pic something is going on with the mint mark! I hope im wrong but i got a feeling its the variety image. Im hating myself right now! One of you please say its not the variety so i dont get sick over this lol.


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  • It's not the D/D Inverted.
  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    djd,

    Very nice pictures and coin, but you do not need to get sick! You sold a nice 58-D at a good price. This is not the Inverted D variety. With these nice pictures you would have been able to see the Inverted D looping out into the field. If you go back to my picture, notice where you should see the loop of the D and the separation from the verticle portion of the proper D.

    Let me know if you disagree. Don't loose any sleep tonight!
  • djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>djd,

    Very nice pictures and coin, but you do not need to get sick! You sold a nice 58-D at a good price. This is not the Inverted D variety. With these nice pictures you would have been able to see the Inverted D looping out into the field. If you go back to my picture, notice where you should see the loop of the D and the separation from the verticle portion of the proper D.

    Let me know if you disagree. Don't loose any sleep tonight! >>



    I agree it doesnt look like your coin's mint mint, thank god for that lol! It does have something going on with the mint mark but as long as it isnt the variety yours is im happy image. Now that i think about it that 58 D is one of the many nice coins ive owned that i should of never sold image. It was an awesome example of the date but hopefully the new owner is enjoying it as much as i have. I wish i can find a 1958 P that looked like that lol!!! That would be a big $ coin!
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image >>



    But this nickel does appear to have the familiar arcing die break at the 2nd window to the left side of the 1st pillar on the Monticello. The top portion is faint but appears to start at the lower left corner of the window. What's significant about this die break is that it appears on many 6 step examples of this date. The picture to my example is small but the arc die break is there and I believe one can be seen in the Corso's collection in the registry.

    Forgot to add, the OP's coin appears to be a later die state example.

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  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    Added pictures. I need to learn how to bring in larger pictures!

    djd - From my reverse picture (as small as it is!), notice the difference in what you see going on with the Ds.

    Leo - Yes, a little later die state on this one.

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  • djdilliodondjdilliodon Posts: 1,938 ✭✭


    << <i>Added pictures. I need to learn how to bring in larger pictures!

    djd - From my reverse picture (as small as it is!), notice the difference in what you see going on with the Ds.

    Leo - Yes, a little later die state on this one.

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    I can see a big difference between the 2. My coin def is not the variety.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Leo - Yes, a little later die state on this one.

    I'm sorry! I was referring to Don's coin being a later die state showing the die break arc but you are the OP. image

    But since you brought it up, I find it interesting that your 1958-D/Inverted D is of a later die state nature. Did they, the mint, stamp the mint mark on a worn or MDS master die......you would think there's got to be a chit load of these coins out there somewhere.

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    At the time, the die sinker must have been intoxicated or was dyslexic or was maybe even new and did not know which way the "D" would need to positioned on the die to make it come out correctly on the coin.
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  • BigDowgieBigDowgie Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭✭
    WoodenJefferson,

    I don't have a problem with Mint Workers drinking on the job. It keeps us variety colletors happy!

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