1947-S "Knob-Tailed S" Jefferson

BigDowgie

Who out there has one of these? I've been at it for a long, long time and have never found one.

------- Knob Tail -------------------- Regular


The picture is of my 1948-S PCGS MS65FS. I have a 1946-S, but no 1947-S. Breen described this "Knob-Tailed S" as being 10% of the San Fran production for the 46-S and 47-S (48-S at 15%). I have found several of the 46-Ss and the 48-Ss.

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Tdec1000

I believe I may have some of these....it would take me a while to check though. They are at the bottom of the safe.

BigDowgie

Tdec 1000,

Any assistance on this one would be greatly appreciated! Keep me posted on your hunt!

Thanks

Tdec1000

I will look through my inventory but I haven't had the time since you posted this. I will check and see what I have though.

Tom

mingot

I have a 46-S and 48-S, but no 47-S to check.

You have me curious about my 46 and 48, though, so I am going to have to get my loupe in the same room as my coins and check.

There is also a fairly large coin show next weekend here in georgia, so I can keep a lookout there.

BigDowgie

Tdec1000, mingot - Any luck yet? Anyone else have want to chime in?

mingot

Went to that show and probably saw about 5 each of 46-S, 47-S, and 48-S -- none of them were this variety. And that's probably the last largish show I will get to for the next six months or so. Seems like even the 46 and 48 are tough

I've been looking at raw 47-S on ebay with decent pictures and none yet.

LanceNewmanOCC

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in my estimation I would refer to this "S" variety as a general "Serif S"
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MercCrazy

I've pulled a few of these from circulation, not sure on what years though.

I pull anything older than '58 when going through nickels.

JupitarCoins

<< <i>Tdec1000, mingot - Any luck yet? Anyone else have want to chime in? >>




Yea same old story i'll check but they never get back to you. Hopefully they will see this and really check(Not) Plenty of time has gone by. Sorry I cant help dont have any.

JupitarCoins

I will check and see what I have though.

WELL

leothelyon

<< <i>Who out there has one of these? I've been at it for a long, long time and have never found one.

------- Knob Tail -------------------- Regular


The picture is of my 1948-S PCGS MS65FS. I have a 1946-S, but no 1947-S. Breen described this "Knob-Tailed S" as being 10% of the San Fran production for the 46-S and 47-S (48-S at 15%). I have found several of the 46-Ss and the 48-Ss.

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Well, there's your problem, you put too much faith in this Breen character. As I have learned, the stuff he put in his book was a lot of heresy. Meaning he took into account what others knew about a subject and included it into his book. He never researched everything to make sure it was true. He only took their word for it. As for the missing knob-tail S for 1947 it's likely those MM die sinkers were shelved for a year and didn't reappear until the following year. If one does finally surface than there must be some truth to it.

mingot

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<< <i>Tdec1000, mingot - Any luck yet? Anyone else have want to chime in? >>




Yea same old story i'll check but they never get back to you. Hopefully they will see this and really check(Not) Plenty of time has gone by. Sorry I cant help dont have any.
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Uh. I really checked. And I responded. With some prodding

TPRC

I have 3 high grade Jeffersons in each grade--46-s, 47-s, 48-s. Of those, 1 46-s and 1 47-s is the knob tail variety.
Best.

leothelyon

This appears to be one.

BigDowgie

Leo,

It certainly does. I missed that one 6 years ago. I would gladly pay double that hammer price of $9 to own that one! Now we know they are out there.

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WoodenJefferson

I have a couple of 47-S...both had serifs.

Good luck in finding this variety though...

emzee

Knobtail s variety of 1946 - 1948 5c described by Breen is in fact, sans serif s. The mintmark pictured in original post is a sans serif s, not a knobtail s. I was a collector of Jeff 5c by Breen number back in the early 1990's and never found a 1947s sans serif. I know of two later references that indicate that this variety does not exist.

One is here : link

The other is May 1999 Numistmatist article "Styles of 'S' Mintmarks 1941 - 1949" - excellent article, I think written by Bill Fivaz.

Michael

AUandAG

I have but one and it appears to be a cross between the two!
bob

leothelyon

Great article Emzee!

Because the knob-tail is not shown as one of the varieties, I think you set the bigdog back 15 years!



So it'e either the Trumpet Tail for the 3, 1946, 1947 and 1948

Or the Sans Serif for the 1946 and 1948

BigDowgie

I guess I'll quit referencing Breen's "Knob-Tail" S and change to "San Serif" and join the living!

It appears the coin Leo linked to above is a San Serif. Pictures blown up are too rough to get a clear image to know for sure. I kept a Coin World article from 11/2/92 that discusses the findings of Delma Romines, on the S Mint marks on the 1948-S Jefferson. The article shows pictures of both S types and calls them "With Serifs" and "San Serif". The San Serif is the one we are discussing. It also references that these two S types exist on both the 1946 and 1947.

My hunt will continue for a 1947-S "San Serif" specimen!

TPRC

Great post and great link. I'm fairly new to Jeffersons and I really learned something here.

coinkat

I have a 46-s but not a 47