What do you do? What are my options?
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So, I recently paid a significant price for a card from a major seller of PSA cards on eBay. The particular card I purchased is a very condition sensitive card, one of which I have probably subbed at least a half dozen times only to get grades back in the range of 7.5 to 9. So, why did I pay the significant price... because I purchased the PSA 10 Pop 1 
Card has been received. The holder has most certainly not been tampered with, but also, the card is most certainly not a 10. In fact, the card is much worse than even the 8's I've received back from PSA on my own submissions!
What do I do?
- I hate keeping the card, mainly because of the price I paid and it's clearly not a 10, I feel cheated, but I don't necessarily blame the seller
- I don't want to return it to the seller for a refund, because then this PSA 10 Pop 1, that isn't really a 10, may just be resold and still exist out there
- I've heard that PSA will take back the card becuase of their grade guarantee, but I don't necessarily want a voucher good for my purchase price
Like I said, it's a PSA 10 Pop 1... and it's existence effects several PSA Registry sets that I participate in and/or may participate in in the future.
I will be taking the card with me to the National next week... just looking for some thoughts/opinions/experiences of the same or similar!
-E
Card has been received. The holder has most certainly not been tampered with, but also, the card is most certainly not a 10. In fact, the card is much worse than even the 8's I've received back from PSA on my own submissions!
What do I do?
- I hate keeping the card, mainly because of the price I paid and it's clearly not a 10, I feel cheated, but I don't necessarily blame the seller
- I don't want to return it to the seller for a refund, because then this PSA 10 Pop 1, that isn't really a 10, may just be resold and still exist out there
- I've heard that PSA will take back the card becuase of their grade guarantee, but I don't necessarily want a voucher good for my purchase price
Like I said, it's a PSA 10 Pop 1... and it's existence effects several PSA Registry sets that I participate in and/or may participate in in the future.
I will be taking the card with me to the National next week... just looking for some thoughts/opinions/experiences of the same or similar!
-E
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If PSA only authenticated stuff, then in my eyes it would be a fantastic service.
That said, if some dope graded it a 10, then I would ENJOY IT AS A 10 and when the time comes I would SELL IT AS A 10.
EDIT: I don't mean to sound like a wack-job, but you guys are so right when you say 'Buy the card, not the holder'. I buy PSA star cards for the peace of mind in knowing it's authentic. Only MY opinion of the cards condition determines which PSA card I buy. If I like the card inside, it doesn't matter to me if it's a 1 or a 9.
PSA's listed guideline for a PSA 10
A PSA Gem Mint 10 card is a virtually perfect card. Attributes include four perfectly sharp corners, sharp focus and full original gloss. A PSA Gem Mint 10 card must be free of staining of any kind, but an allowance may be made for a slight printing imperfection, if it doesn't impair the overall appeal of the card. The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.
While there might be some quality of a PSA 8 card that exceeds PSA 10 requirements, the PSA 8 card will have other issues which keeps the grade down. An example is your PSA 8 could have 50/50 centering, and your PSA 10 does not, but that's not the only thing they look at.
The guaranty is intended for cards that don't match the description above. It doesn't apply to cards because you don't agree with the grade.
You kinda painted yourself into a corner with your options though. If you don't want to return it, you don't want to send it back to PSA, and you don't want to part with it, then you're only choice is to keep it.
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
But it is what it is. Buy the card and not the holder is a true statement.
I also hate that they have poor scanning skills and scan four at a time. Easy to hide things that way.
Rcently I've been wanting to buy 10s from them, but I really try to eyeball the San as much Asa I an before pulling the trigger.
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
We wouldn't be talking about........wait..................wait...................4SC...TADA!!!!! Imagine that a 4SC Grade 10 from PSA that looks lower.............Wow, will wonders never cease!!!
Yeehah
Neil
Was the defect you see that brings it down to what you feel should be an 8 visible in the auction scan/photo?
<< <i>It sounds like the card meets PSA standards for a PSA 10, but isn't matching up with what you want to see in a 10 holder.
PSA's listed guideline for a PSA 10
A PSA Gem Mint 10 card is a virtually perfect card. Attributes include four perfectly sharp corners, sharp focus and full original gloss. A PSA Gem Mint 10 card must be free of staining of any kind, but an allowance may be made for a slight printing imperfection, if it doesn't impair the overall appeal of the card. The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.
While there might be some quality of a PSA 8 card that exceeds PSA 10 requirements, the PSA 8 card will have other issues which keeps the grade down. An example is your PSA 8 could have 50/50 centering, and your PSA 10 does not, but that's not the only thing they look at.
The guaranty is intended for cards that don't match the description above. It doesn't apply to cards because you don't agree with the grade. >>
Not a chance it meets their standards! Modern black-bordered Bowman card with not just one, but two, white exposed non-sharp corners.
<< <i>How about a picture of the card?
Was the defect you see that brings it down to what you feel should be an 8 visible in the auction scan/photo? >>
At work now, may post a scan later tonight... not sure what that has to do with anything though, as I'm asking what my options might be and wondering what has been done in such cases in the past.
As for visible in the scan, I hate to say it, but I don't think I really looked at the scan... afterall it was a PSA 10... what should I really need to look at?
It's in a PSA 10 holder, it's a pop 1, and it's one of a handful of cards I've been after for my registry sets through self submissions... one popped, it came up for sale as a BIN... I saw it listed, I bought it... didn't consider much of anything about it until I received the card... then it was just like "WTF - This ain't a 10, WTF, WTF, WTF"
I take the card to the National. PSA acknowledges the card is incorrectly graded (and hopefully considers paying better attention to the cards, and subsequently the grades they assign, for this mass submitter) and honors their grade guarantee. By honor it, I mean, they refund me the money ($$$, not a voucher) I spent on the card... take posession of it... destroy it and have the certificate removed from the population reports and put this card back to a pop 0 for PSA 10 grades... until a real PSA 10 comes along.
I guess, what I was really after, is this a realistic option? Is that asking too much? Have they done such similar in the past?
<< <i>I guess, what I was really after, is this a realistic option? Is that asking too much? Have they done such similar in the past? >>
Eric, I dont know definatively if it has or has not happened, but I would not hold out hope that there is any chance of that happening with this card.
Edit to add: From the scan that 2008 Bowman looks like a PSA 10 to me. It doesnt look like the top left corner has been touched, but aside from that, the other three corners look sharp. Again, based on the small scan provided.
<< <i>destroy it and have the certificate removed from the population reports and put this card back to a pop 0 for PSA 10 grades... until a real PSA 10 comes along. >>
They won't destroy anything. They'll reslab the card with a corrected grade. The only time they crack a card and erase the cert# is when they're removing a card that shouldn't have been slabbed in the first place (counterfeit or doctored card).
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
Scott
Always plenty of PSA-graded cards in my ebay store -- https://ebay.com/str/thelumbercompanysportscards
<< <i>I guess at the end of the day..... this is what I'd like to see happen...
I take the card to the National. the card is incorrectly graded (and hopefully considers paying better attention to the cards, and subsequently the grades they assign, for this " mass submitter ") >>
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<< <i>I guess, what I was really after, is this a realistic option? Is that asking too much? Have they done such similar in the past? >>
Eric, I dont know definatively if it has or has not happened, but I would not hold out hope that there is any chance of that happening with this card.
Edit to add: From the scan that 2008 Bowman looks like a PSA 10 to me. It doesnt look like the top left corner has been touched, but aside from that, the other three corners look sharp. Again, based on the small scan provided. >>
I'll get a larger scan out this evening. The top right corner is really white, like a large portion of the black just chipped away... and the bottom left corner is soft (Less noticable to the naked eye versus the top right corner, but very, very, very visible under a 10x Loupe).
<< <i>I have seen similar circumstances where PSA will reholder the card at the proper grade (assuming they agree that an error was made) and provide vouchers for the difference in value.
Scott >>
Yeah, I finally found the PSA Guarantee page (not very easy/convenient to find) and that looks like the most likely outcome. Here is my new dilemma then...
I paid $53.47 shipped for the card... because it was a PSA 10 Pop 1.
I say the card should be an 8, possible they could say 8.5, under review.
It's a freakin modern card... many years removed from the players rookie card year! I could put the 8 or 8.5 of this card on eBay for $0.99 with free shipping... and it probably would go unsold. So, what is the difference in value?
<< <i>It's a freakin modern card... many years removed from the players rookie card year! I could put the 8 or 8.5 of this card on eBay for $0.99 with free shipping... and it probably would go unsold. So, what is the difference in value? >>
Eric, If it were me, I would just put the card in my set. Keep subbing and keep watching for another to come on EBAY. (It eventually will in PSA 10). Buy that PSA 10, and do whatever you want with the other card. I am anxious to look at the larger scan tonight, but the card does not look bad from the scan 4SC provided.
Put the card in your set and look for another one to surface. If it never does then you have the only 10. If so buy the next one and sell yours. If you loose a few bucks it happens.
You tell me, which one is the 10?
Example A
Example B
Example C
BTW A, B, and C all are not 10s IMO...
WTB: PSA 1 - PSA 3 Centered, High Eye Appeal 1950's Mantle
C is the 10 I got on eBay
Scans don't do the cards justice, not even at roughly 3x (300dpi vs. 96dpi) zoom. The whiteness of the top corner is much more noticable in hand, to the naked eye... under my 10x Loupe, it's insanely bad.
Perhaps my two 9's would have been 10's if I was subbing 100's (if not 1000's) of cards a month!
<< <i>A & B are 9's I got back from my last submission
C is the 10 I got on eBay
Scans don't do the cards justice, not even at roughly 3x (300dpi vs. 96dpi) zoom. The whiteness of the top corner is much more noticable in hand, to the naked eye... under my 10x Loupe, it's insanely bad.
Perhaps my two 9's would have been 10's if I was subbing 100's (if not 1000's) of cards a month! >>
Evening,
Why can't anybody with a little conejos say it here, if I was 4SC, all three would be 10's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of Course !!! Hundreds of Threads over years and years and the Bottom Line is, I submit a Card 10 times it comes back PSA 10, once out of Ten times submitted, 4SC submits same Card 10 times, and 9 out of 10 it comes back PSA 10........................Imagine That !!!!!!!!!!!
Whatever !! any of you who believe anything different...Come on and drink the Kool-aid !!! Oh and by the way.....................POOF>>>POOF !!!
Neil
<< <i>This whole PSA racket amazes me. >>
First time I've quoted myself! Sweet!