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Honk Kong Mercantile Exchange begins trading silver futures tomorrow

derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
Hong Kong Mercantile Exchange will start trading dollar denominated silver futures contracts tomorrow. Hope this gives a big wedgie to the COMEX manipulators. image

"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,111 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hong Kong Mercantile Exchange will start trading dollar denominated silver futures contracts tomorrow. Hope this gives a big wedgie to the COMEX manipulators. image >>



    Will this make the price of silver more volatile, less volatile, or no effect on volatility?

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With a big demand for PMs coming from Asian citizens we should see prices there driven by demand and demand alone. Artificially low prices of the CRIMEX, I mean COMEX, should be threatened.

    As we know, silver prices tend to trend gold prices:

    Gold “Fever” in Asia and Central Bank Demand Could Cause an “Earthquake” in the Gold Market

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • 1000 ounce futures but no options.
  • gsa1fangsa1fan Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    So can Americans buy these? Where to go to get info.? Link?image
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • "So can Americans buy these? Where to go to get info.? Link?"

    Yes (if your broker supports it) & LINK
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
    An interesting commentary:

    Link
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  • ksammutksammut Posts: 1,074 ✭✭✭


    << <i>An interesting commentary:

    Link >>



    Thanks Captain for sharing that link. Let's hope that he is correct in his thoughts.
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  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭
    this was done with gold in ~ May 18th of this year.
  • gsa1fangsa1fan Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Well Fidelity is NOT going to let me buy anyimage
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  • gsa1fangsa1fan Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    So should we see some difference in silver price around 5pm today?
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    What will happen if people sell their comex contracts for the Hong Kong contracts, how will this affect physical spot prices here?--------------BigE
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  • SpoolySpooly Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭
    I just signed up for "daily market data" to be e-mailed to me at the close everyday!

    Daily market data
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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    Here is another link:


    SILVER FUTURES
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  • SpoolySpooly Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭
    Is Kitco going to use current HKME pricing on its website?
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  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Honk if you love geese! >>



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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So what happened over there today?
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,116 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Honk if you love geese! >>



    image >>



    Glad somebody finally got it........

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  • SpoolySpooly Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭
    HKME....... here the gold report. Low volume...... is an understatement!

    Sorry.... it lost it's format! image
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  • SpoolySpooly Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭
    It will be really hard to build a large short postion on the HKME.

    Here are the rules:

    Spot Month Position Limit: 3,000 contracts (gross long or short); the spot month position limit shall be
    effective from the close of the first business day of the contract month.

    Reportable Position: 250 contracts (gross long or short) for each contract month.

    I see Morgan Stanley is both a "Clear Member" and a "Broker Member".



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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It will be really hard to build a large short postion on the HKME.

    Couldn't a large bank have multiple other entities carry short positions for them at the limit? Since JPM has claimed to be out of the massive silver shorting business on the
    Comex they have probably gotten Morgan Stanley, GS, and others to pick up the load. And does this limit apply to the each individual client of the commerical entity or the
    net position of all their clients?

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  • SpoolySpooly Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭
    RR, those are great questions. I will be watching the HKME very closely.

    I not sure the HKME is a "game changer" or just another way to manipulate the market.
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,636 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Hong Kong Mercantile Exchange will start trading dollar denominated silver futures contracts tomorrow. Hope this gives a big wedgie to the COMEX manipulators. image >>



    Will this make the price of silver more volatile, less volatile, or no effect on volatility? >>




    It will stop the growing disconnect between paper and physical markets dead in its tracks
    unless the bankers can manipulate this exchange as well. Normally the paper market sells
    lower than physical so on average will mean a somewhat higher price for silver. This effect
    will be nominal however.

    The more important and greater effect is that it will become far more difficult for the bank-
    sters and others using shenanigans to stop rallies. Tricks with paper have no effect on
    the demand or supply of actual silver.

    It seems likely that this will become an important part of the price of silver and, to a lesser
    extent, the price of gold.

    In short, look for at least moderate levels of new buying and no games to thwart price
    changes. This will not hurt bulls in bear markets but we may be eating bear for lunch in
    bull markets.
    Tempus fugit.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nathan Rothschild along with the People’s Bank of China created the privately owned Hong Kong Mercantile Exchange. According to MarketsWiki the HKMEx was founded by En+ Group. On the face of it, it looks like a Russian company is partnering with China. When you look at the board of En+ Group you see Nathan Rothschild is at the genesis of this new market.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I stand corrected.

    It probably can't be good for bulls or bears if the Rothchilds are involved. At least it will be good for the Rothschilds and that's all that really counts.
    Tempus fugit.
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