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Cobb
Gehringer
Greenberg
Kaline
I don't really see much of an arguement with this one....but feel free to try!
Gehringer
Greenberg
Kaline
I don't really see much of an arguement with this one....but feel free to try!
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Currently collecting 1934 Butterfinger, 1969 Nabisco, 1991 Topps Desert Shield (in PSA 9 or 10), and 1990 Donruss Learning Series (in PSA 10).
Tabe
While I might agree that Sam Crawford was a great player,
I'd have to argue with him being better than Kaline.
Baseballreference.com has them at ........Kaline #34 and Crawford #83
Just my humble opinion
(And remember my moniker)
Tony
"KalineFan"
Harry Heilmann, I probably couldn't give you as good an argument!
Here are his incredible averages from 1921-1927
1921------.394 Won Batting Title
1922------.356
1923------.403 Won Batting Title
1924------.346
1925------.393 Won Batting Title
1926------.367
1927------.398 Won Batting Title
Lifetime---.342
Tony
KalineFan
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John Wockenfuss
<< <i>TABE, also, had you mentioned
Harry Heilmann, I probably couldn't give you as good an argument!
Here are his incredible averages from 1921-1927
1921------.394 Won Batting Title
1922------.356
1923------.403 Won Batting Title
1924------.346
1925------.393 Won Batting Title
1926------.367
1927------.398 Won Batting Title
Lifetime---.342
Tony
KalineFan >>
Heilmann is actually the name I was trying to think of to go with Crawford.
Crawford's OPS+ was 144, Kaline's 134.
Crawford had 6 seasons of 100+ RBI, Kaline had 3 (just 1 in his last 18 seasons)
Crawford's career BA was .309, Kaline's was .297
Hits are a wash (2961 for Crawford, 3007 for Kaline)
Crawford is the career leader in triples - Kaline isn't
Kaline obviously wins in HRs but Crawford did lead the league once (admittedly, not with Detroit)
Kaline was an all-timer on defense, dunno about Crawford
Again, I am not REALLY arguing that Crawford should up there ahead of Kaline. Kaline is Mr. Tiger and belongs. I just think Crawford, based on the #s, was probably the better player.
Tabe
10 Gold Gloves is nothing to sneeze at !
Kaline did win a batting title in 1955.
15 All-Star Games
399 Home Runs
Crawford had 1525 RBI, Kaline 1583 although Kaline played in more games.
Crawford was a great player, I would not argue that, but better than Kaline?
I personally don't think so--From a batting standpoint, I would give the edge
to Crawford, but Kaline's OVERALL ability of Hitting AND fielding gives him the
TOTAL edge in my opinion. Crawford has some great teams to play for with
players like Cobb, Heilmann Gehringer and Cochrane to name a few. While
Kaline played with WERT, OYLER, WOOD, and of course with some good players
named Freehan, Cash, Horton, Northrup, Stanley. But, I don't think you can
put the good players Kaline played with even in the same sentence as Crawfords.
A lot of people talk a LOT about Mantles injuries and how that affected what
could have been an even more remarkable career, but did you know that Kaline
suffered from osteomyelitis? It was a bone deformation in his foot that gave
him chronic pain until surgery in 1965. in 1962 Kaline was leading the league
in Home Runs and RBI and batting .345, when he went down for (2) months
making a diving game saving catch at Yankee Stadium. Keep in mind that when Kaline was
playing, the league averages for Batting were quite low. In fact, if you recall
(If you are old enough), Carl Yastrzemski won the batting title with an average
of .301 !!!!!!! Now guess who came in 3rd that year? Yes-Kaline. He was also
3rd in batting in 1966 as well. He was second in batting average in 1959, 1961
and 1963. He came in fourth in 1958 with a .313 average. So, you see my
friend, statistics are one thing, but you have use them in context to draw a
reasonable conclusion.
Tony
KalineFan