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Dollar slips as Bernanke hints of more economic stimulus

derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
And gold hits new high

And Barney Frank calls the the Fed's efforts "a great success." image

"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

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  • BanemorthBanemorth Posts: 986 ✭✭✭
    When I heard he was speaking today I KNEW that would be fantastic for the metals market. At least he's good for something! image
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And gold hits new high

    And Barney Frank calls the the Fed's efforts "a great success." image >>



    Barney Frank is making Barney Fife and Barney Rubble sound like the smartest Barney in the room. He is so awful.

    Ron Paul on deck to grill. image

    MJ
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Paul to Bernanke: Is gold money?
    Bernanke: No
    Paul: Why does the Fed hold gold, why not diamonds?
    Bernanke: Tradition

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    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    you type fast derry and beat me to it. I nearly broke a rib chuckling...........MJ
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Ron Paul- "Is gold money?

    The Beard- "no"

    MJ >>


    Beat ya to it.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Ron Paul- "Is gold money?

    The Beard- "no"

    MJ >>


    Beat ya to it. >>



    I'm in China so my written words have further to travel. Watching this debacle is like a 2011 version of the Twilight Zone. This is obviously being blocked out in Baleyville in favor of the I Love Lucy episode with the chocolate conveyor belt. MJ
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    << Ron Paul- "Is gold money?

    The Beard- "no"

    Unbelievable..... The government monetizes (not a real term, but popular) gold eagles, and yet he says no.... and Greenspan - who, as an economist is head and shoulders above Bernanke - has publicly stated the exact opposite.
    Cheers, RickO
  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,637 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Paul to Bernanke: Is gold money?
    Bernanke: No
    Paul: Why does the Fed hold gold, why not diamonds?
    Bernanke: Tradition

    >>



    Far more honest answers are that gold is mone only to the degree everyone thinks it is and it's held because if real money goes bad from politicians wasting it then gold's value will be more widely seen and provide a means to establish a new money.
    Tempus fugit.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In all reality, gold is the world's reserve currency. That is why central banks hold it. It is their insurance against failed fiat money.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • renman95renman95 Posts: 7,037 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bumper sticker, "Big B Luvs Q3".
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>And gold hits new high

    And Barney Frank calls the the Fed's efforts "a great success." image >>




    They ARE succesful if you are looking at this from a standpoint of destroying what used to be the most free place in world history. And they are soooooo fking good at it, people are equating socialism with freedom in America and many people are so mentally gone they call these guys and what they are doing stupid.

    It's all anything but stupid. NOBODY is this "stupid". This is all part of a plan.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
    gold and silver seem to be up on QE3

    But what did QE2 get us?


    I hope they don't do it.

    If they don't do QE3, easy come, easy go on the PM prices. I see them both taking huge hits.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,116 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think we need to change the thread title from "slips" to "splunges"! Take a look at the dollar index.
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,019 ✭✭✭✭✭
    will there be a QE3?

    We have to keep all options open.

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>will there be a QE3? >>


    I believe the PM markets today are saying yes.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Every asset on my balance sheet is green today. Is this bad news that I should be glued to the media every minute, or can I go back outside and play with the kids?

    (not that it's not entertaining to visit here on occasion and read posts from millionaire midases who are lamenting how miserable America is, how stupid the leaders, how clueless the citizens)

    And before Gecko chimes in and says, "oh, so everything's perfect is it?" No, it's not perfect. Just because it's not the worst possible doesn't mean it's perfect.

    Hope everyone is using the Markets to their full advantage! image

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <Every asset on my balance sheet is green today. Is this bad news that I should be glued to the media every minute, or can I go back outside and play with the kids?>

    it is awesome that you don't own the US dollar then as it's getting murdered. Good foresight and well done. Now get back out there and play with the kids! MJ
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  • TheBigBTheBigB Posts: 942


    << <i>Bumper sticker, "Big B Luvs Q3". >>



    You bet I do.image
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    you don't own the US dollar then

    of course not, I read on here that it's going extinct, so I sunk excess cash reserves into the risk trade (primarily cutting edge medical stocks) and a new kitchen for the family.

    ROI of happy wife with new gas stove? hard to calculate percentage upside on immesurable home cooking and off the charts bedroom time image

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  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,490 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>you don't own the US dollar then

    of course not, I read on here that it's going extinct, so I sunk excess cash reserves into the risk trade (primarily cutting edge medical stocks) and a new kitchen for the family.

    ROI of happy wife with new gas stove? hard to calculate percentage upside on immesurable home cooking and off the charts bedroom time image >>



    good returns there!

    Anyone have one of those induction cooktop stoves? I've heard it takes just a minute or two to get water boiling with one of those.
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>you don't own the US dollar then

    of course not, I read on here that it's going extinct, so I sunk excess cash reserves into the risk trade (primarily cutting edge medical stocks) and a new kitchen for the family.

    ROI of happy wife with new gas stove? hard to calculate percentage upside on immesurable home cooking and off the charts bedroom time image >>



    good returns there!

    Anyone have one of those induction cooktop stoves? I've heard it takes just a minute or two to get water boiling with one of those. >>




    I missed the curve on that. First kitchen I had remodeled went with all Miele appliances but the next one I had gas so I bought a DCS dual fuel stove. 100 G's for a kitchen and let me tell you I made some incredible bacon and eggs ! image
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Excellent ROI, Baley!image
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>you don't own the US dollar then

    of course not, I read on here that it's going extinct, so I sunk excess cash reserves into the risk trade (primarily cutting edge medical stocks) and a new kitchen for the family.

    ROI of happy wife with new gas stove? hard to calculate percentage upside on immesurable home cooking and off the charts bedroom time image >>



    See, there is hope for you yet!

    One day when you're running late from work and on your way home you should call your wife and say, " Hey Mrs. Baley, why don't you hop up on that new gas stove of ours and warm up my dinner".

    MJ
    Walker Proof Digital Album
    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's Hot

    But back to OP, of course the Fed is going to increase liquidity in economic funk times, then, later during bubble times, tighten credit and suck it all back in, and then that will be the "CRISIS! du jour.."

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Paul to Bernanke: Is gold money?
    Bernanke: No
    Paul: Why does the Fed hold gold, why not diamonds?
    Bernanke: Tradition

    imageimageimageimageimage >>




    Technically Bernanke is correct. Gold is no more money than human labor is money. Both can be exchanged for goods or services. Both have a value that can be measured against other assets. Both are freely accepted.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Technically Bernanke is correct. Gold is no more money than human labor is money. Both can be exchanged for goods or services. Both have a value that can be measured against other assets. Both are freely accepted. >>



    Technically gold and silver were money for thousands of years as coinage was made of them. Central banks in recent years put an end to this in order to assign artificial value and demand to their pieces of paper. Historically all paper money eventually evaporates to nothing but pieces of paper. Gold is the world's actual reserve currency. This is why central banks stockpile gold. Attempts by Iraq, Iran and Libya to use gold in lieu of dollars in the oil market have been met with military threat and actual force. Central banks are much more powerful than many believe. The last US president to attempt to fight the Fed met his death shortly after having currency printed that read "United States Note" rather than "Federal Reserve Note."

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Historically all paper money eventually evaporates to nothing but pieces of paper

    ALL? really? What about all the collectible obsolete currency "worth" many multiples of face? or by "all" did you mean "all except for all of the exceptions"?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Historically all paper money eventually evaporates to nothing but pieces of paper

    ALL? really? What about all the collectible obsolete currency "worth" many multiples of face? or by "all" did you mean "all except for all of the exceptions"? >>


    Such collector currency has "worth" many times face BECAUSE it became obsolete.

    Obsolete (def.) - adjective
    1. no longer in use

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Bernanke attempts to slow down metals >>



    He's not doing a very good job of that. MJ
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  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Bernanke attempts to slow down metals >>



    He's not doing a very good job of that. MJ >>




    And that's OK! I hope he schedules more !
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow. Why didn't we think of thatimage


    MJ
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    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,116 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Debt ceiling problem solved! >>




    "My brain hurts!"

    Prof. Gumby
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,116 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow. Why didn't we think of thatimage


    MJ >>



    I think that if you or I tried it we'd get arrested.........

    image

    (anybody got a good smoke and mirrors icon we can borrow?)
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  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Debt ceiling problem solved! >>



    But what would prevent the FED from issuing more debt?

    A better, more permanent solution, would be to completely end medicare and social security payments. Then when all the old and sick die off, the problems will truely be solved.

    The above is to be interpreted facetiously, but is just as rational and carries the same consequences as Paul's proposal.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Technically Bernanke is correct. Gold is no more money than human labor is money. Both can be exchanged for goods or services. Both have a value that can be measured against other assets. Both are freely accepted. >>



    Technically gold and silver were money for thousands of years as coinage was made of them. Central banks in recent years put an end to this in order to assign artificial value and demand to their pieces of paper. Historically all paper money eventually evaporates to nothing but pieces of paper. Gold is the world's actual reserve currency. This is why central banks stockpile gold. Attempts by Iraq, Iran and Libya to use gold in lieu of dollars in the oil market have been met with military threat and actual force. Central banks are much more powerful than many believe. The last US president to attempt to fight the Fed met his death shortly after having currency printed that read "United States Note" rather than "Federal Reserve Note." >>



    Before there was gold or silver or paper, there was human labor and innovation. Gold did not take on value until organized religion became untrenched. Remove gold/silver/paper from the face of the earth and you still have human labor. Remove humans from the earth and what is the value of gold/silver/paper?
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My feelings:

    Gold is better then folding money. The end. MJ
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    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,967 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< Dollar slips as Bernanke hints of more economic stimulus >>>

    It's broke so they continue to break it more.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,967 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ancient civilizations used seashells as money.

    I'm combing the beach right now as i'm typing this post. image
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    If we can not raise the ceiling, should we consider dropping the floor?image
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    Camelotimage
  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,505 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ben is Gold's best friend image
    GrandAm :)
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,116 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>If we can not raise the ceiling, should we consider dropping the floor?image >>



    I like the idea that the Fed should just burn the imaginary T-bills it bought from the Treasury, thereby reducing the National Debt, and then it can buy more imaginary T-bills from the Treasury.
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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Swiss Franc closed at an all-time high against the dollar on Friday. MJ
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,116 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The Swiss Franc closed at an all-time high against the dollar on Friday. MJ >>



    There was an inter-day high above $1.23 on Thursday.

    Could match the Euro within a month.

    TD
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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,123 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "Attempts by Iraq, Iran and Libya to use gold in lieu of dollars in the oil market have been met with military threat and actual force."


    Is this part of the reason we are messed up in the Libya fighting? I've been quite puzzled why we are involved there; makes absolutely no sense to me.
    ----- kj
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like the idea that the Fed should just burn the imaginary T-bills it bought from the Treasury, thereby reducing the National Debt, and then it can buy more imaginary T-bills from the Treasury.

    Would that make the Chinese happy? Or would that trash the market for T-bills? Would rates go up because of demand destruction, or would rates go down because of a perceived decrease in the risk premium?

    They can't go down, because they already are. They can't go up because the payments on the outstanding debt obligations would explode.

    This is probably the end game for what happens when private bankers start playing games with imaginary paper assets and then dump their obligations on the government lackeys who turn around and dump the whole mess on ordinary people who actually work for a living. It's been 98 years now.
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I like the idea that the Fed should just burn the imaginary T-bills it bought from the Treasury, thereby reducing the National Debt, and then it can buy more imaginary T-bills from the Treasury.

    This is probably the end game for what happens when private bankers start playing games with imaginary paper assets and then dump their obligations on the government lackeys who turn around and dump the whole mess on ordinary people who actually work for a living. It's been 98 years now. >>



    This is probably one of the most concise, simple to understand, and accurate analysis of the "endgame" I have read Jmski. Thanks.

    Miles

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,116 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The Swiss Franc closed at an all-time high against the dollar on Friday. MJ >>



    Back up over $1.23 Sunday afternoon.
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    How does the Swiss Frank compare with the Oscar Myer Frank?
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