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1979 OPC PSA 9 Gretzky on eBay

MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
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Not putting down the grade...but not too much of a fan of that top left corner. Also the orange drop is OC in the Oilers logo on the bottom right. No back scan either.

Not the 9 I would like to buy but I'm curious of other opinions...the card has been on eBay for a few weeks now (at a much higher price).

I know there are some collectors here looking for this card...why did you pass? Price? Condition? Neither?

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  • edmundfitzgeraldedmundfitzgerald Posts: 4,306 ✭✭
    I find nothing distracting about the card. I like the centering too.
  • eyeboneeyebone Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭
    i remember a few years back i bought a psa 9 from these guys and it had a pencil mark (about 1/4 of an inch long) on the back. it was impossible to miss given the card was a blank back (1970 cfl push-out). don't tell me these guys don't get preferential treatment from psa graders. so, this is a piss poor psa 9, which explains why it has not sold yet, and if you or i submitted the same card it would not be in a mint holder.

    eyebone
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  • ToroToro Posts: 1,515
    I think it's a solid 9, too good for an 8 though. I'd never pay that much for it.
  • cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Patrick, I totally agree with you. That top left corner does not look good at all for a PSA 9.

    What do you think about this one? It's Topps, not OPC though.

    image
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  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭
    Mike, the image isn't showing up too well on my computer but from the looks of that bottom right corner (and chipping) could be a 6.5-7.5? Perhaps even an 8.

    Graders are lenient with that orange drop -- but there seems to be far less OC ones from the Topps issue than OPC.

    I'm probably in the minority here but the orange drop is one of the most important things for me to consider as a buyer.
  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭
    Mike,

    I just had a topps that came back PSA 7 that looked a bit nicer than your photo.
    I would say a 6 or maybe a 7 on yours
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  • cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭
    Patrick,

    What percentage of OPC cards would you say have the orange drop centered well as opposed to being OC?

    I apologize for the crappy picture. I'll have to scan it when I get the chance.

    Yes, the bottom right corner is soft which is why I think it would grade out as a 6.5 or 7. It's a shame because the other 3 corners and edges are sharp. I pulled that Gretzky from a pack back when they were first sold as a kid so I think I did a good job not ruining the card. I can tell you that his card was the last one I needed to finish the set that year. I think I went through at least 3 wax boxes to get it. Of course, they were a lot cheaper back then and didn't have to worry about resealers.
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  • cpamikecpamike Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Mike,

    I just had a topps that came back PSA 7 that looked a bit nicer than your photo.
    I would say a 6 or maybe a 7 on yours >>



    Thanks Jim. I'd like to see a picture of yours when you have a chance to scan it. Hope you didn't buy 3 boxes from BBCE in order to get it. image
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    And miles to go before I sleep."

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  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    Mike ... maybe the pic is not great, but from what I can see there is NO WAY that card gets in a "7" holder. I hope I'm wrong, but I'd say a "6" is more in line.
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  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Patrick,

    What percentage of OPC cards would you say have the orange drop centered well as opposed to being OC?

    I apologize for the crappy picture. I'll have to scan it when I get the chance.

    Yes, the bottom right corner is soft which is why I think it would grade out as a 6.5 or 7. It's a shame because the other 3 corners and edges are sharp. I pulled that Gretzky from a pack back when they were first sold as a kid so I think I did a good job not ruining the card. I can tell you that his card was the last one I needed to finish the set that year. I think I went through at least 3 wax boxes to get it. Of course, they were a lot cheaper back then and didn't have to worry about resealers. >>



    I apologize for being on a crappy monitor.

    Not sure about percentages but the Gretzky card is one I follow on a regular basis. If you do an eBay search "1979 Gretzky 18" you will see what I mean about the orange drop.

    Here is (IMO) a beautiful Gretzky rookie...that centered orange drop makes a big difference in eye-appeal.

    Gretzky BGS 4
  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭
    here you go Mike.....I think yours has sharper corners except for that bad bottom right which I think will get it a 6
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  • e64mtde64mtd Posts: 104 ✭
    I think the left side of the scan might be somewhat distorted with 4SC's card. For a card of that value though I think the scan should be higher resolution and a back scan should also be provided. Hard to tell from such a small image but the focus and registration appears to be nice as well.

    Here's one of my Gretzky rookies which I consider to be a very nice example for the grade.

    image

    The corners are really nice on this card but to some the impression might be given otherwise by the image provided. I think the OPC rough cut plays a part in that perceived issue as it's very rare to see a non-sheet cut OPC Gretzky rookie with apparent razor sharp corners in an online image.
  • FrozencaribouFrozencaribou Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Example of a fairly well centered orange oil drop...

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  • jimradjimrad Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭
    Natan

    How the heck is that not a PSA 8.5 ?
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  • MULLINS5MULLINS5 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Natan

    How the heck is that not a PSA 8.5 ? >>



    Agree. Do you have a scan of the back?
  • e64mtde64mtd Posts: 104 ✭


    << <i>Natan How the heck is that not a PSA 8.5 ? >>



    Also agree. I'd love to crack that card and get it auto'ed. Fantastic eye appeal.
  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭✭
    I need a PSA 9 OPC Gretzky RC for my PC but would never buy that 4SC special on eBay now. The top left corner is atrocious and if you were to crack and re-sub it would never get a 9. Other than the top left it is actually a nice card, I don't mind the OC orange drop, but for $4k - $5k I don't want an obvious flaw that should have downgraded the card..
    I am curious to see if they will drop the price any further or just put it up with a BIN.
    Cheers,

    Robb
  • FrozencaribouFrozencaribou Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the kind words on my PSA 8 Gretzky rookie. I'll post a scan of the back. I will be sending it in for a bump soon.

    I believe the 4SC PSA 9 is still on eBay because the going rate is between 4000 and 4800. There was an $8000 sale recorded on VCP, but that was from the counter scammers who drove up a fake psa 9.

    We all know that 4SC drops the price if an item doesn't sell. I would bet that the card is sold this round, and at about 4750. I've seen worse 9's.

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  • halfcentmanhalfcentman Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Not putting down the grade...but not too much of a fan of that top left corner. Also the orange drop is OC in the Oilers logo on the bottom right. No back scan either.

    Not the 9 I would like to buy but I'm curious of other opinions...the card has been on eBay for a few weeks now (at a much higher price).

    I know there are some collectors here looking for this card...why did you pass? Price? Condition? Neither?

    eBay >>



    Sure, I am going to spend $5K on a card with no description/verbiage (I usually let my pictures do the talking on inexpensive cards, but not on something like this), no return policy just because it's certified, and an absolutely horrible image. Can anyone say "beachfront property in Kansas?"

    It's not a nine, you are right. It's an "8.75."
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm always up for some 4SC bashing, but this looks like a legit 9 to me. First off, it's full size with rough cuts, which is a good sign. Secondly, I think that upper left is probably a lot nicer than it looks in that crappy scan. Lastly, I don't think most collectors care about the centering on the oil drop.
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  • FrozencaribouFrozencaribou Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am in agreement with all your points, shagrotn77.
  • fergie23fergie23 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭✭
    My experience with 4SC on rare, high grade cards is that any flaw you see in the scan is magnified when you get the card in hand. Because of this I don't buy their PSA 9s unless the card looks flawless in the picture/scan. To each their own but I have been burned on seemingly minor imperfections being much worse in hand.

    Robb
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