1993 Derek Jeter SP $15,000 sale???
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Anyone else just see the Derek Jeter Sp PSA 10 sell for $15,000????
I had it on my watch list and it just ended with a Buy It Now. Will be real interesting to see if you card detectives can tell if this is a legit sale. If so great price!!!
I had it on my watch list and it just ended with a Buy It Now. Will be real interesting to see if you card detectives can tell if this is a legit sale. If so great price!!!
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<< <i>Anyone else just see the Derek Jeter Sp PSA 10 sell for $15,000????
I had it on my watch list and it just ended with a Buy It Now. Will be real interesting to see if you card detectives can tell if this is a legit sale. If so great price!!! >>
I would assume that most Yankee collectors would be satisfied with the PSA 10 Stadium Clubs, which are very obtainable. I'm not sure the population of PSA 10 SPs will stay low forever. Jeter was a great player the first day he stepped on the field and collectors were putting those 93 SPs into top loaders right out of the packs. Might be very large quantity of ungraded pristine condition copies still left.
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I have never opened a pack of these but a friend of mine said they are very tough out of the pack and you generally get one per box. Apparently the cards tend to stick together he said.
This is a great example of a modern card that sells for drastically more then it's BGS counterpart.
<< <i>Wow acording to the pop report there have been 9 PSA 10's out of 9,789 graded by PSA. That is certainly rare.
I have never opened a pack of these but a friend of mine said they are very tough out of the pack and you generally get one per box. Apparently the cards tend to stick together he said.
This is a great example of a modern card that sells for drastically more then it's BGS counterpart. >>
Wow, I had no idea that 10,000 had already been graded. I think you're right...must be coming out of the pack flawed.
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I opened maybe 6 boxes of these back in 93 and ended up trading them all away for XMen comics. Had 5 or 6 Jeters at least.
Do you get a royalty every time you make a negative statement towards Beckett? I soon expect to see your sentences also end with, "brought to you by Carl's Jr." Let's also consider there are no BGS counterparts to a PSA 10 because there are no 1993 SP BGS 10 Jeter cards in existence, so this statement is incorrect. Unless, that is, you're theoretically inferring a PSA 10 = BGS 9.5, which subsequently makes a BGS 10 > PSA 10.
BGS
Gem Mint 9.5
Centering: 50/50 one way, 55/45 the other on front. 65/35 or better on back
Corners: Mint to the naked eye, but slight imperfections allowed under magnification.
Edges: Virtually Mint to the naked eye. A speck of wear is allowed under intense scrutiny.
Surface: A few extremely minor print spots, detectable only under intense scrutiny. Deep color, devoid of registration or focus imperfections. Perfect gloss, devoid of scratches and metallic print lines
PSA
GEM-MT 10: Gem Mint
A PSA Gem Mint 10 card is a virtually perfect card. Attributes include four perfectly sharp corners, sharp focus and full original gloss. A PSA Gem Mint 10 card must be free of staining of any kind, but an allowance may be made for a slight printing imperfection, if it doesn't impair the overall appeal of the card. The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.
Corners with BGS can have a slight imperfection. Corners with PSA are four perfectly sharp corners.
I guess all sellers should stop suggesting their BGS 9.5 cards are the same as a PSA 10 is what you are saying.
Yeah I get $100 every time I suggest PSA is a much better company then BGS. LOL!! The bottom line is PSA is miles apart from BGS and I simply realize that and this is a forum to voice your opinion.
The highest recent sale for a PSA 9 was $599. The higest sale for a BGS 9 is $410. This is a 46% premium in the same grade. When I say the market knows this is what I mean.
If they are equal why do buyers and sellers not value the cards the same. Because they are not.
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The man is right about the PSA 9s being the better card. BSG 9s are just not the same.
<< <i> Unless, that is, you're theoretically inferring a PSA 10 = BGS 9.5, which subsequently makes a BGS 10 > PSA 10. >>
This is, in fact, correct. A PSA 10 and a BGS 9.5 are equivalent grades. PSA does not a have a 'pristine' grade, which is what the BGS 10 represents.
A PSA Gem Mint 10 card must be free of staining of any kind, but an allowance may be made for a slight printing imperfection, if it doesn't impair the overall appeal of the card. The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.
"I guess all sellers should stop suggesting their BGS 9.5 cards are the same as a PSA 10 is what you are saying."
No, what I'm saying is that by definition the counterpart would be the equal comparative, not the lesser one which you're trying to use as the example. Just because someone wants something to be true (such as yourself in this case), that doesn't make it "so". If you want to compare the best PSA to the best BGS, you compare a 10 to a 10. Pretty simple reasoning actually. But that wouldn't fit your narrative now, would it? Your statement should have read:
Pristine 10
Centering: 50/50 all around on front. 60/40 or better on back.
Corners: Perfect to the naked eye and Mint under magnification.
Edges: Perfect to the naked eye and virtually free of flaws under magnification.
Surface: No print spots. Flawless color, devoid of registration or focus imperfections. Perfect gloss, devoid of scratches and metallic print lines.
A PSA Gem Mint 10 card must be free of staining of any kind, but an allowance may be made for a slight printing imperfection, if it doesn't impair the overall appeal of the card. The image must be centered on the card within a tolerance not to exceed approximately 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.
Let us properly compare some popular modern day examples quoting the highest VCP pricing recorded for each of the "counterparts" where I can actually find a BGS 10 (not 9.5) comparable example for a given card:
1984 Fleer Update Roger Clemens
PSA 10 = $610.00
BGS 10 = $2,449.24
1985 Topps Mark McGwire
PSA 10 = $588.00
BGS 10 = $2,000.00
1986-87 Fleer Michael Jordan
PSA 10 = $7,699.00
BGS 10 = $82,000.00
1986 Donruss Jose Canseco
PSA 10 = $108.04
BGS 10 = $510.00
1989 Score Barry Sanders
PSA 10 = $199.95
BGS 10 = $1,525.00
1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey Jr.
PSA 10 = $255.00
BGS 10 = $1,199.99
1990-91 OPC Premier Jaromir Jagr
PSA 10 = $34.97
BGS 10 = $150.00
I'm not attesting to the validity of each sale above but if you're going to throw around the Jeter example, I don't think that's even basis for discussion. "The market knows" alright....it's aware you're emotional and biased, the absolute worst type of person to be trusted with cards, money or any sort of investment.
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That being said - there are plenty of cards where a BGS 9 outsells a PSA 9...this just isn't one of them.
That being said there is certainly no disputing your data and that is fine with me. Just becuase someone is willing to pay $1,000 for a BGS 10 Pristine Ken Griffy Jr. does not change the facts that PSA is killing BGS and long term it will be even more pronounced.
Many on this board say buy the card and not the slab. Buying a BGS 10 is buying the slab.
Either way there is no comparison on the Derek Jeter card being discussed and never will be.
<< <i>Many on this board say buy the card and not the slab. Buying a BGS 10 is buying the slab. >>
What, and paying $15k for a PSA 10 isn't?
The PSA set registry is full of people who buy slabs.
<< <i>there are plenty of PSA 10 cards that could find there way into a BGS 10 Pristine >>
There are plenty of PSA 9s that could find their way into PSA 10s too.
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This sale may or may not be legit and I will be watching the feedback out of curioustiy.
That being said some of these commons going for thousands with just a few hundred subbed is a different story to me.
There is no doubt many including myself by the slab to work on a set to get your GPA as high as possible.
My simple point was paying 4 or 5 times for a BGS 10 is crazy.
The reason I am anti BGS is I have personally bought many over graded cards in their slabs and I am super selective at this point with cards graded from them. You will find many cards in BGS 9 holders with white corners. Sorry not a mint card.
The sentiment is inconsequential and incorrect on the basis that BGS' "Gem Mint" classification allows for a "9" subgrade whereas PSA does not. Unless PSA decides to introduce a 9.5 grade, there is no technically "even" comparison between a BGS 9.5 and a PSA 10. Beckett explicity states that they will a allow "Gem Mint" card with a "Mint" qualification, i.e. a "9" subgrade. PSA does not allow for this with their "Gem Mint" grade. Just because the "Gem Mint" terminology is the same doesn't mean the grading standard is equivalent. If you do feel that BGS 9.5 = PSA 10, then by extension it is only fair for you to consider a BGS 10 > PSA 10. I don't think that such a conclusion is fair to PSA. That being said, I wish PSA would introduce a Mint+ 9.5 grade.
"I would be willing to bet a great deal of money that there are plenty of PSA 10 cards that could find there way into a BGS 10 Pristine."
I don't doubt that but I don't think such a statement serves to qualify PSA more than BGS. As a matter of fact, such a statement seems to indicate an inferiority complex of sorts.
"My simple point was paying 4 or 5 times for a BGS 10 is crazy."
But paying a large premium for PSA 10, that just excites you? You seem to be very wrapped up in this whole PSA/BGS debate as if the financial success/failure of either will affect you directly. It appears obvious that you feel your embellishment can have an impact on the "end game" for either of these grading companies. Whatever happens to either of these companies will be on the merits of their product, service and financial acumen not as the result of your impassioned pleas.
"Many on this board say buy the card and not the slab. Buying a BGS 10 is buying the slab."
The PSA set registry is likely where the term "buying the slab" originated. I don't think anymore needs to be discussed in that regard. All those spending exorbitant sums of money for high grade, low population commons better hope the trend continues. If for some reason the sentiment changes so does PSA's advantageous market share, drastically.
"That being said there is certainly no disputing your data and that is fine with me."
That would be correct. Hard facts are difficult to dispute. It's an objective reality that, overall, BGS brings in significantly more on "modern" cards as it is an equally objective reality that PSA brings in significantly more on "vintage". That's been the nature of the hobby for some time now and barring the discontinuation of either grading company, that's likely the way it'll continue to progress in the near to medium term. From my perspective, I hope neither of the "big three" grading companies disappear. The competition between these companies continues to ensure we receive reasonable service and a quality product.
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Now, after you've watched Chris Olds and the chump wearing the Texas t-shirt (stay classy, BGS), are you still confident in the ability of Beckett to grade your cards? That is the most overgraded card in the history of baseball cards.
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I realize to some it sounds crazy but I envision a day when you wake up and find out that the current holding company who owns them does not want to bleed red ink and there are no other takers willing to lose big on the company. It has happened two times in a row and with a tremendous decline in subscription rates the past 9 years that trend is not reversing.
If this scenario happens your BGS slapped cards will decline instantly in a huge way as the market will not view a defunct company the same. I don't want this to happen and I agree competition is great for the market.
I just think it is going to and I am preparing. I have not financially benifited in anyway from this at all. In reality I have been hurt. I cracked out four of some of my most expensive Hulk Hogan Wrestling All Stars to get signed and to no longer be slabbed in a grade holder but a PSA DNA authentic. Not one would cross over in the grade that was on the holder and I will have lost money on this and by spending the money to get them signed I may get close to break even. I have taken serious hits on BGS Andre The Giant cards with a cracked out BGS 9 getting a PSA 7. After viewing so many over graded cards I have made the decision to for the most part avoid buying their slabbed cards becuase you are playing Russian Roulet. I have indeed gotten some very nice cards too but this is a function of who ever owned the raw card choosing BGS over PSA.
There is no doubt the refractor crowd loves BGS and some of this is the modern collector base who reads Beckett and the other is hoping to get a pumped up grade for higher resale. There have been plenty of people on these boards admit they send cards to BGS to get that extra point. If a PSA 8 Jeter brings say $120, that same card most likely can get into at least a BGS 8.5 and most likely a low end BGS 9 which would bring more money. I think a great stategy would be to buy Jeter cards and crack them out of PSA 8 holders and PSA 9 holders and sell the higher rated slab for more.
PSA is not a desperate company. Beckett is. That is why they have lowered their standards so much to get the type of card submissions I just mentioned. If they were so great they would have a much larger market share. Plain and simple.
<< <i>I honestly do think BGS is inferior to PSA. Beckett as a company has been in big financial trouble for years and there is no doubt with the declining value of print media they are in real jeopardy of even existing.
I realize to some it sounds crazy but I envision a day when you wake up and find out that the current holding company who owns them does not want to bleed red ink and there are no other takers willing to lose big on the company. It has happened two times in a row and with a tremendous decline in subscription rates the past 9 years that trend is not reversing.
If this scenario happens your BGS slapped cards will decline instantly in a huge way as the market will not view a defunct company the same. I don't want this to happen and I agree competition is great for the market.
I just think it is going to and I am preparing. I have not financially benifited in anyway from this at all. In reality I have been hurt. I cracked out four of some of my most expensive Hulk Hogan Wrestling All Stars to get signed and to no longer be slabbed in a grade holder but a PSA DNA authentic. Not one would cross over in the grade that was on the holder and I will have lost money on this and by spending the money to get them signed I may get close to break even. I have taken serious hits on BGS Andre The Giant cards with a cracked out BGS 9 getting a PSA 7. After viewing so many over graded cards I have made the decision to for the most part avoid buying their slabbed cards becuase you are playing Russian Roulet. I have indeed gotten some very nice cards too but this is a function of who ever owned the raw card choosing BGS over PSA.
There is no doubt the refractor crowd loves BGS and some of this is the modern collector base who reads Beckett and the other is hoping to get a pumped up grade for higher resale. There have been plenty of people on these boards admit they send cards to BGS to get that extra point. If a PSA 8 Jeter brings say $120, that same card most likely can get into at least a BGS 8.5 and most likely a low end BGS 9 which would bring more money. I think a great stategy would be to buy Jeter cards and crack them out of PSA 8 holders and PSA 9 holders and sell the higher rated slab for more.
PSA is not a desperate company. Beckett is. That is why they have lowered their standards so much to get the type of card submissions I just mentioned. If they were so great they would have a much larger market share. Plain and simple. >>
you can also say when someone cracks out the wagner psa 8 t206 and its graded by sgc or bvg and found to be trimmed psa will pay.
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We've been down this road already. How do you feel then about PSA grading the T-206 Wagner as a PSA 8 even though it's a sheet cut card? No concern or confidence lost? I mean, it's only the most important card in the history of the hobby. For some reason that gives me a little more pause than the Strasburg Superfractor. Oh, and I guess PSA employees show up for work in suits and top hats each day. What is the suggested attire for a grader of cards anyhow?
Wagner Sheet Cut
<< <i>For anyone who really considers Beckett to even be a serious player in the grading market, I encourage you go to youtube and find the video of the Beckett "experts" discussing how they graded the Stephen Strasburg superfractor RC.
Now, after you've watched Chris Olds and the chump wearing the Texas t-shirt (stay classy, BGS), are you still confident in the ability of Beckett to grade your cards? That is the most overgraded card in the history of baseball cards. >>
This is the exact reason why I will never use BGS again. I lost all respect for their company. Shortly after they graded that card I sold off all the BGS slabs I owned and haven't looked back.
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I can not compare a card grading that took place 20 years ago before there was really even an industry to a card graded like the Strasburg once millions of cards had been graded.
Last I checked BGS grades sheet cut cards so what would this be in their scale a Pristine?
<< <i>"Now, after you've watched Chris Olds and the chump wearing the Texas t-shirt (stay classy, BGS), are you still confident in the ability of Beckett to grade your cards? That is the most overgraded card in the history of baseball cards."
We've been down this road already. How do you feel then about PSA grading the T-206 Wagner as a PSA 8 even though it's a sheet cut card? No concern or confidence lost? I mean, it's only the most important card in the history of the hobby. For some reason that gives me a little more pause than the Strasburg Superfractor. Oh, and I guess PSA employees show up for work in suits and top hats each day. What is the suggested attire for a grader of cards anyhow?
Wagner Sheet Cut >>
I don't think anyone is suggesting that a grader needs to dress like they're going to a GQ photo shoot, but I seriously question the fact that they chose to dress like they just walked out of the trailer for the making of their video (and most other videos they produce).
The Wagner is a sore thumb on the hand of PSA. However, most of the fingers are sore on the BGS hand. There's no need to cite examples as most already are aware of the lengthy list of BGS/BVG travesties that have been released issue upon the hobby.
While DPeck seems to get a jolly out of criticizing BGS, he really isn't far off. They're headed in the wrong direction, however, they still have a very strong presence in the modern market and there are still enough idiots out there that will pony up for cards that were "made" for BGS 9.5 and BGS 10 holders.
<< <i>"Now, after you've watched Chris Olds and the chump wearing the Texas t-shirt (stay classy, BGS), are you still confident in the ability of Beckett to grade your cards? That is the most overgraded card in the history of baseball cards."
We've been down this road already. How do you feel then about PSA grading the T-206 Wagner as a PSA 8 even though it's a sheet cut card? No concern or confidence lost? I mean, it's only the most important card in the history of the hobby. For some reason that gives me a little more pause than the Strasburg Superfractor. Oh, and I guess PSA employees show up for work in suits and top hats each day. What is the suggested attire for a grader of cards anyhow?
Wagner Sheet Cut >>
I don't collect early 20th century tobacco and I can't speak to your comments about the Wagner b/c I'm hardly a T206 expert. But I do know modern and I do see overgraded cards in BGS holders on a routine basis. They overgraded the Strasburg b/c they wanted to be able to see a BGS card sell for big bucks on Ebay, which in turn would draw more attention to their fledgling product. There is no free quality marketing to be gained by putting a Strasburg in an 8.5 holder, so they decided to put it in a 9.5 instead.
I hate to keep throwing Beckett under the bus, but I feel its appropriate right now. Here are some real quotes from Beckett's SENIOR grader when discussing the Strasburg card that HE graded a 9.5:
1) If you look at the back, the back is very off center.
2) The corners have a couple of problems on the back.
3) The right edge has a little bit of.....uh... roughness going on.
4) The surface has a couple of small indentations
5) But its a 1/1 and.....uh......those are pretty hard to find.
I'm worried that he might pull my cards close to his face to get a better look and accidentely scratch the surface on his soul patch.
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Otw I do not really get a jolly out of picking on BGS, I do get a jolly out of hearing the other side. It is like a stock message board where a bag holder will under no circumstances realize why their stock is going down. The will do everything in their power to argue their postion but refuse to face the facts.
Let's put it in real world terms. McDonalds is absolutely killing it. Wendy's is dying. Why? Quality control, brand image, customer satisfaction, and financial strength. Beckett had a real chance in the late 90's and early 2000's.
If the modern bubble had not burst we might be having a different discussion.
It did and Beckett became lost when the flow of cards being graded slowed. PSA reinvented itself with the registry and submissions regained steam. Once you had low pop cards going for huge sums it causes more cards to get graded and keeps the wheels turning.
Once Beckett got so far behind in the race and their subscription sales plumetted they got desperate and started handing out high grades like candy. Game over.
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You're saying PSA 8s are at least BGS 8.5s and 9s. Maybe that's the case with "Wrestling" cards, I can't comment on that because I haven't held one and I don't care to own any. From my experience with modern, however, the inverse is more likely. I've seen many PSA 9s and 10s that make me scratch my head. Dinged corners, bad centering and surface issues are notable, in my opinion, with high grade modern PSA relative to BGS. One particular reasonably high-valued PSA 10 I briefly owned had a very noticeable linear scratch that indented the card entirely from top to bottom. I noticed it in less than five seconds after looking at the card and immediately returned it to the seller. Does that in my mind make PSA completely incompetent? No, not at all. Until robots start grading cards instead of people mistakes will happen. A few months later I bought another PSA 10 example of the same card and it remains in my collection to this day.
I'm not saying Beckett is perfect either as they miss imperfections as well. Vintage, on the other hand, I certainly tend to favor PSA and I feel Beckett can be a little "softer" on grading in some circumstances with vintage. While in no way quantifiable, based on discussions I have followed on various collector boards, I feel that's the sentiment of most people. I'm not claiming to be right on that viewpoint but I am claiming it as my opinion. That being said, I realize I'm on the "PSA" board and there's going to be a certain "fanboy" mentality and I'm certain "dpeck100" or "mcadams", for example, are not going to give the Wagner fiasco much credence. This alone indicates their inability to provide an unbiased opinion. That being said, the whole "Beckett sucks" because they inappropriately graded said card goes immediately out the window when you consider the gravity of the T206 bungling. That card defines the hobby, the Strasburg card doesn't.
"Well the guy who owns The Arizona Diamondbacks owns it now and won't be cracking it under any circumstances."
That makes it okay? So if I decide to buy the Strasburg Superfractor and state it will be remaining in my collection and not cracked under any circumstances, it makes the problem go away? Makes sense to me. And I'm not supporting the whole Strasburg fiasco either because I feel they improperly graded that card. That being said, most of the other "evidence" as to Beckett's grading impropriety appears anecdotal. Maybe there are other important BGS/BVG 9.5s out there that are over graded. Anyone to care to provide examples (with images) to back that up?
"Otw I do not really get a jolly out of picking on BGS, I do get a jolly out of hearing the other side. It is like a stock message board where a bag holder will under no circumstances realize why their stock is going down. The will do everything in their power to argue their postion but refuse to face the facts."
That's funny, you're the only one here acting like you're on a "stock board". Bullish on this, bearish on that. You try to project yourself as an insider, pumping up this, dumping on that. I don't collect to turn a profit; I just find your "chest thumping" funny and, over time, somewhat annoying I guess as well. I started off with a presentation of facts but you just glossed over and continued on with your ranting. You want to go in the factual direction? Track down Beckett's net profit/loss for 2010. You talk like you're a connected person. If you can't even gather that information, private equity or not, you're pretty low on the "totem pole" indeed. I'm not saying Beckett's going to be around forever, it would be foolish to proclaim such stability. But the bottom line is you have no more of an idea about their sustainability than anyone else, not without inside information that you appear unable to ascertain.
"I don't think anyone is suggesting that a grader needs to dress like they're going to a GQ photo shoot, but I seriously question the fact that they chose to dress like they just walked out of the trailer for the making of their video (and most other videos they produce)."
Well, no offense, because I don't judge people on how they dress but if that's you in the avatar to the left you realize some may be biased towards people who wear sleeveless t-shirts and have arms covered in tattoos as well. That is if I'm seeing you correctly. Me, I don't think that's fair. You seem to be an nice enough person to me based on the comments you make around here. I choose to judge you on that instead.
<< <i>"I don't think anyone is suggesting that a grader needs to dress like they're going to a GQ photo shoot, but I seriously question the fact that they chose to dress like they just walked out of the trailer for the making of their video (and most other videos they produce)."
Well, no offense, because I don't judge people on how they dress but if that's you in the avatar to the left you realize some may be biased towards people who wear sleeveless t-shirts and have arms covered in tattoos as well. That is if I'm seeing you correctly. Me, I don't think that's fair. You seem to be an nice enough person to me based on the comments you make around here. I choose to judge you on that instead. >>
Yeah, that's me. On vacation on the beach in Aruba. Not going to work or at work or shooting a video as employee of where I work. If some want to draw conclusions and make assumptions (you obviously have as you have pointed it out then tried to quantify it -- like the guys who says, "Some of my best friends are . . ."), then so be it, but this is a message board and I seriously doubt that avatars, real images or not, display much of anything about the person involved.
However, any company preparing a video shoot that is going to feature a high profile item and serve as a publicity vehicle for their business usually tends to have the personnel in said video present an image that is more corporate. Not the stumbling, bumbling dolts that this video portrays while contradicting several of the very specific sub grade categories they so proudly stress as part of their grading.
As has been pointed out, all TPG's have made some significant errors. BGS has the trimmed Brady SP Authentic, sheet cut OPC's, et al. SGC has the Doyle. PSA has the Wagner. There are plenty more for all involved, but that isn't the point.
The area of the market where BGS is on par or ahead of PSA or SGC is in the modern, post 1990 market. And even that area is one that they had previously dominated, so they HAVE lost significant ground. Whether there is a long term viability to their product remains to be seen, but I would suspect that they'll be around longer than some have hinted.
Sorry if my response came across as "I'm not racist but....". I meant I don't think it's fair to judge someone on the basis of their physical appearance lest you be judged. I don't care if someone dresses "preppy", "hipster" or "redneck" as I agree it doesn't serve to display much about the person involved. Again, sorry if I offended you for that reason.
<< <i>"Yeah, that's me. On vacation on the beach in Aruba. Not going to work or at work or shooting a video as employee of where I work. If some want to draw conclusions and make assumptions (you obviously have as you have pointed it out then tried to quantify it -- like the guys who says, "Some of my best friends are . . ."), then so be it, but this is a message board and I seriously doubt that avatars, real images or not, display much of anything about the person involved."
Sorry if my response came across as "I'm not racist but....". I meant I don't think it's fair to judge someone on the basis of their physical appearance lest you be judged. I don't care if someone dresses "preppy", "hipster" or "redneck" as I agree it doesn't serve to display much about the person involved. Again, sorry if I offended you for that reason. >>
Not offended, but I think you're missing the point about a CORPORATE video. Perhaps the "trailer" adjective may have been a bit insensitive, but they did present as "unprofessional" and unprepared in a CORPORATE release. I doubt that PSA or SGC would release a video with their on camera personnel looking like the BGS staffers do on a regular basis.
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Not offended, but I think you're missing the point about a CORPORATE video. Perhaps the "trailer" adjective may have been a bit insensitive, but they did present as "unprofessional" and unprepared in a CORPORATE release. I doubt that PSA or SGC would release a video with their on camera personnel looking like the BGS staffers do on a regular basis. >>
But Scott...he wore his NICEST Texas T-shirt and even trimmed the patch...
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Now folks are bashing the Beckett guys for what they wear. Oh my. Hey, I bet they use discount hair care products too!
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Maybe I am missing the point but I honestly don't feel concerned about their clothing. It's a card grading company and I would consider such a setting to be a relaxed one, especially with the level of those employees. If the Beckett CEO was dressed in that manner while giving a public address I would feel that to be inappropriate. I am concerned with what's coming out of their mouths, however, and I don't like it. It's a logic fail. I can justify a "9" for that card based on the images available but even that's a tough determination without holding it in hand to have a more informed opinion. A 9.5? Absolutely not with that centering. The biggest logic fail though is what someone actually paid for that card. I certainly hope they're not collecting to turn a profit.
Sheet cut cards, unfortunately, (I think) will be the future.
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