Philly; Captain Wanted
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<< <i>You made me click a story on hockey?
I did sort of give it away in the title. Trading away a 26 year old star and team captain (when you're not rebuilding) doesn't happen very often in the NHL. It would be the MLB equivalent of the Phillies trading Cliff Lee to a team like Seattle for a couple of mid-tier & mediocre prospects while taking a run at another World Series <wink>. Except in this case, the player is already signed to a fair market deal and 6 years younger.
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On behalf of the New York Rangers, I thank you Paul Holmgren.
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And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
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<< <i>I think Philly will come to regret these trades. They definitely needed a top notch goalie, unfortunately for them they didn't get one.
On behalf of the New York Rangers, I thank you Paul Holmgren.
I don't think the Flyers get better or worse. Claude Giroux and JVR made Richards and Carter expendable. Carter is only good in 1/3rd of the ice. He is below average in 2/3rds of the ice. Richards game has gone down since he signed the big contract, and his night life activity has gone up. Holmgren probably got the blessing of Peter and Pronger to deal these guys. Zerdev is probably gone too.
The Flyers now have a bunch of good younger forwards to build a team around, and they now have a chance to challenge the Rangers in going after Brad Richards, something that hasn't been spoken about too much.
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<< <i>You made me click a story on hockey?
I did sort of give it away in the title. Trading away a 26 year old star and team captain (when you're not rebuilding) doesn't happen very often in the NHL. It would be the MLB equivalent of the Phillies trading Cliff Lee to a team like Seattle for a couple of mid-tier & mediocre prospects while taking a run at another World Series <wink>. Except in this case, the player is already signed to a fair market deal and 6 years younger. >>
No problem...I'm just kiddin' with ya.
I don't follow hockey, but I admit, if the Flyers were one game away from winning the Stanley Cup, I would watch that game.
<< <i>I don't think the Flyers get better or worse. Claude Giroux and JVR made Richards and Carter expendable. Carter is only good in 1/3rd of the ice. He is below average in 2/3rds of the ice. Richards game has gone down since he signed the big contract, and his night life activity has gone up. Holmgren probably got the blessing of Peter and Pronger to deal these guys. Zerdev is probably gone too.
The Flyers now have a bunch of good younger forwards to build a team around, and they now have a chance to challenge the Rangers in going after Brad Richards, something that hasn't been spoken about too much. >>
Very valid arguments, but you take a very big chance when you had a team built to win now. It's not like these guys were old. They are both 26 and should be entering their prime. It is very hard to find pure goal scorers and you can pencil Jeff Carter in for 30 plus a year. Most pure goal scorers are not good defensively, but it is much easier to find a solid defensive forward then a 30 plus goal scorer. As far as Richards goes, Holmgren may know something about his after work activities which makes him want to cut ties, but again on the ice Richards was a leader and they could have showed him the bench to get him back in line if that indeed was the reason to trade him.
Good young forwards are nice to have, but they could just as easy not pan out and the draft picks are no sure bet either. Zherdev should definitely be gone as that would be addition by subtraction.
Also, I don't know how much they improved in net with Bryzgalov. He has been good in the regular season, but has never maintained that level in the playoffs. He was even relegated to backup for awhile plus he is now 31. Not much more upside to show.
Going after Richards would be a good replacement, but I really believe the Rangers have the inside track with Torts having coached him before and maintaining a good relationship with him. If he is truely seeking $7M per year, then I'd let the Flyers sign him as they will be back up against the cap again.
To answer the original post, I guess Richards could become he captain if they sign him, otherwise, my guess would be Pronger.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
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term by the Flyers, but he was dealt before his long term deal went into effect. So his long term contract is not valid, and the Flyers now owe him nothing. Talk about screwing a guy over.
I agree that the Flyers do not improve with this deal, and they were only two games away from winning the cup against the Blackhawks.
They have a real good team, but they are OBSESSED with getting a world class goalie. Tim Thomas was the first goalie since Bernie Parent to win the Vezina, Conn Smythe, and Stanley Cup all in one season. The Flyers only won two cups with a world class goalie (even though Hextall came close against the Oilers), and I guess that's how they think. They want another Bernie Parent, but I don't think they signed him.
As far as the Rangers, it doesn't matter if they get Richards or not. That organization got lucky once (1994), and with the cap now, and their terrible draft history, they will always be in trouble. They also always make the mistake of signing one good player that makes them good enough to make the playoffs, but bad enough not to make it past the first or second round.
<< <i>As far as the Rangers, it doesn't matter if they get Richards or not. That organization got lucky once (1994), and with the cap now, and their terrible draft history, they will always be in trouble. They also always make the mistake of signing one good player that makes them good enough to make the playoffs, but bad enough not to make it past the first or second round. >>
I honestly think the Rangers could have won the cup without trading Amonte and Weight away during that season, but I don't hold it against them as they did win it all. If they didn't, I would have personally grabbed Neil Smith and strangled him.
Sather could not control himself in the beginning but I think he finally has seen the light. I hope so anyway. If they sign Richards, it will be because Torts wanted him badly. I personally would like them to pass on him and continue the youth movement. Their defense is one of the youngest and most talented in the NHL. They need to develop another scoring forward or two. The kid Kreider from Boston College will fit one of those slots nicely. Henik can carry them in the playoffs as their young players mature. Plus, Drury's contract is up after this year so that's $7M off the cap if they don't buy him out this summer as long as he's healthy. Wade Redden was a horrible signing. I knew it as soon as Sather did it. Amazing he could get out from under the Gomez contract. Good player, but not at $7M per year. Rangers are definitely on the upswing and will be a factor in two to three years.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
"Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
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Am I missing something?....doesn't Columbus assume his contract, and pay him the 11/$58m?
<< <i><<<So his long term contract is not valid, and the Flyers now owe him nothing. Talk about screwing a guy over.>>>
Am I missing something?....doesn't Columbus assume his contract, and pay him the 11/$58m? >>
Columbus may be obligated. The negotiations would have to be reviewed, but the Flyers offered this guy a long term deal, he took it, and
now the Flyers owe him nothing. Perhaps that isn't "screwing" the guy, but all I meant is the Flyers don't owe him a penny of that
long term deal they promised him.
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Sather could not control himself in the beginning but I think he finally has seen the light. I hope so anyway. If they sign Richards, it will be because Torts wanted him badly. I personally would like them to pass on him and continue the youth movement. Their defense is one of the youngest and most talented in the NHL. They need to develop another scoring forward or two. The kid Kreider from Boston College will fit one of those slots nicely. Henik can carry them in the playoffs as their young players mature. Plus, Drury's contract is up after this year so that's $7M off the cap if they don't buy him out this summer as long as he's healthy. Wade Redden was a horrible signing. I knew it as soon as Sather did it. Amazing he could get out from under the Gomez contract. Good player, but not at $7M per year. Rangers are definitely on the upswing and will be a factor in two to three years. >>
I don't think Kreider wants the Rangers. He's going back to Boston College instead of sticking with the team. Can't say that I can figure that one out. The Rangers have had the worst signings ever, from an old Bure, Gretzky, Lindros, Jagr, Redden, Drury, etc., etc.
Guys who help them to be just good enough to make the first round of the playoffs, and have them miss out on good draft picks.
Then they sign Gaborik. No one agrees with this but I think they should trade Lundquist and tank a good three or four years. With all their good young kids, and getting good draft picks by finishing near last place for a few years, they would have a good team down the road.
I see no way this Ranger team can compete in the near future with or without Richards. They have no one to run the power play, no good young goal scorers, and not much depth. They are still a few years away, and they should go younger at this point IMO.
<< <i><<<So his long term contract is not valid, and the Flyers now owe him nothing. Talk about screwing a guy over.>>>
Am I missing something?....doesn't Columbus assume his contract, and pay him the 11/$58m? >>
correct.