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1704 Olmutz Taler

ZoharZohar Posts: 6,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
Picked this up on ebay. These large flan pieces are nice, and this one in particular has a sharp strike.

Bishopric State of Olmutz.
Karl III (1695-1711) Duke of Lorraine.
1704 Broad Flan Taler
DAV-1208. KM-103.
Bust right. Reverse: Crowned and supported arms

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    HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Quite a nice XF!
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    theboz11theboz11 Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭
    You should resubmit that one.image
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    Silvereagle82Silvereagle82 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭
    Nice one Zohar image
    It does look nicer than an XF45 based upon the pics !!
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My pics!
    Habsburg Talers

    TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
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    HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    Lovely coin Z. I agree it looks more like AU then XF45!
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Already sent for crossover. Let's see.
    Habsburg Talers

    TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
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    mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    Very nice! XF eh? Seems nicer than that.
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    TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with previous comments. It should upgrade unless missing most of the luster, which if it is, it's not evident in the photos.
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Already sent to other grading agency for crossover
    Habsburg Talers

    TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
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    goossengoossen Posts: 492 ✭✭
    Post the result! It's a lovely piece.
    My coins with pictures: http://www.paraguaycoins.com/
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If this is the benchmark for XF (or price) I should be fine image
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    Habsburg Talers

    TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
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    HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    I've watched coins by that seller in the past but they always seem to go for very strong prices.
    He must have quite a following.

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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am at a loss why a seller would have a following which pays premium prices on lower quality. I have seen similar coins (slabbed) fetch completely different pricing levels on the bay.
    Habsburg Talers

    TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just got word back from NGC. They can not cross this over unless they crack it open as it does not have an edge view holder. The reason is that there is always a risk of mounting.

    Question - what to do here? Ask them to crack open and regrade or let it be?
    Habsburg Talers

    TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
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    HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    Thats a risky one Z.

    Normally I would say go for it and put your trust in PCGS not missing anything like that, however I think NGC have been grading super strict lately and there is a risk of it not grading.

    I don't suppose they can tell you whether or not it seems like it wouldn't body bag for any other reason bar ex mounted etc?

    I only ask because I know I would be disappointed if I told them to crack it out and then they deemed it had been cleaned or body bagged it for a more obvious reason that could be seen through the slab.

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    ZoharZohar Posts: 6,717 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hus - you are approaching it exactly as I have. I asked them that contingent on there being no rim mount issues (which I doubt PCGS would miss) would it go over XF-45. If the answer is yes, I am inclined to crack open @ NGC.
    Habsburg Talers

    TalerUniverse.com is a curated numismatic project dedicated to the silver talers, crowns, and medals of the Habsburg Empire and the Holy Roman Empire, spanning the 16th–18th centuries. The collection emphasizes historically significant issues, rare mint varieties, and high-grade NGC/PCGS examples, presented with detailed historical context, scholarly references, and high-resolution photography. TalerUniverse aims to serve both as a private collection showcase and a growing reference resource for collectors, researchers, and students of early-modern European coinage.
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    HussuloHussulo Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭
    I asked them that contingent on there being no rim mount issues (which I doubt PCGS would miss) would it go over XF-45. If the answer is yes, I am inclined to crack open @ NGC.

    If that was their answer I would definitely say yes go for it. It does look nicer then XF-45 unless it has been net graded for a problem that is not obvious.

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    HoledandCreativeHoledandCreative Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd say let it be. Why risk anything? It is a premium looking coin in an XF holder.
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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey Z, I totally agree with holdedandcreative - why mess with a good thing?
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