1810 Peru 2 Reale... counterfeit?

thecoinlook

I have been going through a lot of foreign... Found one that has me stumped.

it is a 2 Reale from 1810. It has Ferdin VII facing right. The reverse has ME, which should indicate Peru, right?

Well the initials are I.J...?

From what I have found, IJ is used in the 1700's, but could not find it this late.

Thanks!





Edit to add good pictures in this post.

thecoinlook

Edit: good pictures added above.

coinnerd

Looks Genuine to me. Imaginary bust of Ferd VII. VG+

OchoReales

While the coin appears to br legit., Krause does not list this assayer for the date. Seems like you have some investigating to do!

coinnerd

This could have been an old reverse die some one picked up to get more use from, or IJ took over for a while during the year. Could be scarce, but just because it's not listed in Krause doesn't make it so.

TwoKopeiki

<< <i>This could have been an old reverse die some one picked up to get more use from, or IJ took over for a while during the year. Could be scarce, but just because it's not listed in Krause doesn't make it so. >>



If something like this happens, you either have a 1. never heard of before die pairing; or 2. the coin is a counterfeit.

I am not familiar with minors of this series, so can't really tell you anything by looking at the images. Same rules would apply as for 8 reales - check the weight, legend, surfaces, dentils and the edge. Looking at the coin, I don't like the numerous die breaks (like the goiter on Ferdinand's neck, for example) and the fact that dentils are riding-up on the legend. Check for the colonial circle-and-square edge and make sure it doesn't wabble from side to side and has matching overlaps 180 degrees from each other.

Just based on the wrong assayer initials, I would classify this a counterfeit. Chances that the mint re-used a reverse die from over 10 years ago from when the coin was struck, in my opinion, are slim to none.

thecoinlook

Yeah, those cracks, which are in the die, had me thinking along the lines of counterfeit.

1803 is the last time IJ was used for the 2 Reale.
If it only would have been 1 year, it would probably be more believable that this could be an unknown die pairing... but 7 years is a little hard to believe.

The weight is 6.1 grams. Krause says 6.7668. Would that be about right?
Within a couple hours, I will be back to where more of these are, so I will check the weight of a similar circ example.

thecoinlook

Here are the cracks