Wow, I love this rainbow Morgan toner, you think it would make a PCGS holder?

Constantine

I picked this up for a decent price due to poor scans from the seller. The color to me is amazing, and in hand this thing is on fire! My pics are crummy but meant to show the color which still looks better in hand.

You think this would make a PCGS holder? I know that the old PCI holders can tone a coin, and not sure if this had some toning when it went in the holder as it does not say 100% or 95% White etc like many do. Thoughts on originality? If it is a winner, what is the best way to get it to PCGS? In the same holder as it is in now?
Thanks for your input





Added a couple more pics!

PTVETTER

I'M thinking yes it is goog to go

deltadimeman

looks like a nice coin ! crack it out and submit to pcgs .

p8nt

That toning doesn't look right to me...

coinsarefun

I like it very much. I would submit. Perhaps one suggestion.
It has worked for me in the past.

When I find a great coin that I am concerned may not
slab I pm Don Willis with the pic's and ask him.

He usually replies.... Crack it out and submit.
Maybe if the question comes up he uses the pm as reference?

But I have had great results with Don



btw I should add..... He never promises it will slab though

kryptonitecomics

The coin might have been white when submitted and toned in the holder.....I have seen plenty of ASE with similar patterns that are listed as white on the lable so we know these holders and their paper lables can and will impart toning on coins if left in the holder long enough.

Constantine

<< <i>The coin might have been white when submitted and toned in the holder.....I have seen plenty of ASE with similar patterns that are listed as white on the lable so we know these holders and their paper lables can and will impart toning on coins if left in the holder long enough. >>



Yeah, I have a few of what I call PCI Toners that look really cool with the toning. They look different though than this coin, since it has the good rainbow color going on. It seems like I can tell it was the holder, it is an odd toning and of course they say 95% white etc.

So say it was the holder that toned it. It may be natural in the sense that it was not intentional, but it may not be considered normal either. Whatever normal means these days. All I know is the coin has been in this holder for 20 years and I think the toning is above average and I would like to add it to my PCGS collection of Morgan toners. My guess is that it had some toning to begin with the and PCI holder helped it out over the years.

It would be possible to submit in the original PCI holder, yes? If so, maybe that would help in a way.

quattrocoins

<< <i>It would be possible to submit in the original PCI holder, yes? If so, maybe that would help in a way. >>



Yes, I would submit it in the holder as a "cross at any grade".

You'd be surprised at how well those old PCI holders do.

crazyhounddog

It looks really nice and I don't think there would be a problem....

SoCalBigMark

Make sure you get true view, it will more than pay for itself, nice coin!

coinsarefun

<< <i>Make sure you get true view, it will more than pay for itself, nice coin! >>




I agree, but the coin will have to be sent in raw as they
do not image coins on crossovers.

Btw, I have a 1898 in a PCI holder that I have been
meaning to send in I will post pic's later

Constantine

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<< <i>Make sure you get true view, it will more than pay for itself, nice coin! >>




I agree, but the coin will have to be sent in raw as they
do not image coins on crossovers.

Btw, I have a 1898 in a PCI holder that I have been
meaning to send in I will post pic's later >>



They cannot trueview the coin after it is cracked out ???

coinkat

I would leave that one in the holder it currently is in-

That is a very old PCI Holder- look at the font and the 6 in 64 -

I suspect that coins was graded in the 1993-94 time frame

coinkat

as for the toning- that looks good and seems to be album toning

golfer72

Thats a great looking coin. I would leave it as is. The current label is just fine!

CarlWohlforth

I could never comment on the grade, though I will grade photos, because of the line of light across Liberty's cheek.

Personally I'd crack it out or sell it to coinkat or golfer72, or someone who appreciates that particular holder. I would not pay for PCGS's opinion on this coin either. The value is in the color. With silver values as they are I would not spend money and time sending a lower grade, common date, coin to PCGS.

coinsarefun

<< <i>They cannot trueview the coin after it is cracked out ??? >>




Unless there has been a policy change lately, coins that are cross graded
do not get imaged..... Only raw coins submitted get TrueViewed.

If the coin is submitted in a PCI or any other holder
other than PCGS is considered a cross over thus will not be TV'd

ArizonaJack

<< <i>I could never comment on the grade, though I will grade photos, because of the line of light across Liberty's cheek.

Personally I'd crack it out or sell it to coinkat or golfer72, or someone who appreciates that particular holder. I would not pay for PCGS's opinion on this coin either. The value is in the color. With silver values as they are I would not spend money and time sending a lower grade, common date, coin to PCGS. >>



Good advise

metalmeister

A big YES!

tradedollarnut

IMHO, no way.

Bochiman

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<< <i>Make sure you get true view, it will more than pay for itself, nice coin! >>




I agree, but the coin will have to be sent in raw as they
do not image coins on crossovers.

Btw, I have a 1898 in a PCI holder that I have been
meaning to send in I will post pic's later >>



They cannot trueview the coin after it is cracked out ??? >>



They don't/won't. So, you either crack and submit raw (and get the trueview and hope it grades) or you submit as a crossover, get it back, and, if graded by PCGS, then send it back in and do a trueview/reholder.
In short... $$$$$$$$ for doing it this last way

poorguy

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<< <i>Make sure you get true view, it will more than pay for itself, nice coin! >>




I agree, but the coin will have to be sent in raw as they
do not image coins on crossovers.

Btw, I have a 1898 in a PCI holder that I have been
meaning to send in I will post pic's later >>



They cannot trueview the coin after it is cracked out ??? >>



They don't/won't. So, you either crack and submit raw (and get the trueview and hope it grades) or you submit as a crossover, get it back, and, if graded by PCGS, then send it back in and do a trueview/reholder.
In short... $$$$$$$$ for doing it this last way >>



I think Batman is right. While it appears to me that the non-inert plastic holding around the coin has caused the toning, it has earmarks of some AT coins such as that light pinky-lime. I just picked one up for research in an old bank cardoard promotional holder with VERY similar color including that strange limey-pink. I don't think it will slab but it is a good piece to have as an example of non-standard toning from other-than-bag sources.



If anyone is going to the Long Beach show, you can stop by and see it.

Constantine

Thank you poorguy for the input. I have a feeling that the holder helped out the toning. What is interesting is I have a couple other PCI toners that were toned by the holder as evident by the 95% White on the label. The toning is very funky, and nothing like I have seen before. Whereas, this coin has a completely different look to it. I do notice in hand that all three coins have a smiliar very bright gold color in the toning. The gold color truly looks like 18k gold which is one common similarity.

The coin has been in this PCI holder for 20 years so I am happy to have it an example of a different type of toning.

greghansen

Not a chance in the world IMO.

lava

Interesting posts. The gang seems to be divided on this one. I'm not going to be of much help. I would leave the coin as is, but I think everyone would concede the market interest in the coin goes up if it resided in a PCGS slab.

Zoins

<< <i>While it appears to me that the non-inert plastic holding around the coin has caused the toning, it has earmarks of some AT coins such as that light pinky-lime. I just picked one up for research in an old bank cardoard promotional holder with VERY similar color including that strange limey-pink. I don't think it will slab but it is a good piece to have as an example of non-standard toning from other-than-bag sources.

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If anyone is going to the Long Beach show, you can stop by and see it. >>

Good to know about the pinky-lime toning.

coinsarefun

I may be completely wrong but I feel that if the image of the coin was shown to PCGS and then submitted it should grade.

It also might be comparing apples to oranges as the ASE has more silver content but this one was in a PCI holder.

I cracked it out and it slabbed with no problems and has the right color progression IMO.
It also has the most outer color progression as a green color, I would not describe it as lime green though

Zoins

<< <i>I may be completely wrong but I feel that if the image of the coin was shown to PCGS and then submitted it should grade.

It also might be comparing apples to oranges as the ASE has more silver content but this one was in a PCI holder.

I cracked it out and it slabbed with no problems and has the right color progression IMO.
It also has the most outer color progression as a green color, I would not describe it as lime green though >>

Good to know PCGS will slab PCI-toning. I really like TrueViews for strongly toned coins so we can see what PCGS graded b/c we all know coins can tone (or be toned) in the holder. Nice looking coin too.

Constantine

<< <i>I may be completely wrong but I feel that if the image of the coin was shown to PCGS and then submitted it should grade.

It also might be comparing apples to oranges as the ASE has more silver content but this one was in a PCI holder.

I cracked it out and it slabbed with no problems and has the right color progression IMO.
It also has the most outer color progression as a green color, I would not describe it as lime green though

>>



Ok so that is a great image. Your ASE has very similar toning as my Morgan. Same color progression and the light gold in the center of the coin. Good info.

I still think there should be such a thing as "slab toning" just like there is album toning. Early ANACS, PCI, and NGC slabs can tone a coin with a distinct look.

I do not believe it was the intent for PCI to have an non-inert material in their holder and thus creating toners years later. Thus not AT. That would make me think it could get slabbed with PCGS if they understood the coin's history and it being shown in the holder. I understand what the coin may have looked like prior to the PCI grading is anybody's guess but I think it would help. In the end, it is for my personal collection so it does not need to be in a PCGS holder unless it was my preference. I am debating that though as most of my other Morgan toners are with PCGS.

Zoins

<< <i>I do not believe it was the intent for PCI to have a non-inert material in their holder and thus creating toners years later. >>

Minor correction.

al410

I am a toned Morgan Fan, BUT IMO No it will not cross, leave it where it is for maximum resale value, and I also do not see the ASE shown above as being anything like the Morgan.
AL
PS I really like that ASE

coinsarefun

<< <i>Ok so that is a great image. Your ASE has very similar toning as my Morgan. Same color progression and the light gold in the center of the coin. Good info.

I still think there should be such a thing as "slab toning" just like there is album toning. Early ANACS, PCI, and NGC slabs can tone a coin with a distinct look.

I do not believe it was the intent for PCI to have an non-inert material in their holder and thus creating toners years later. Thus not AT. That would make me think it could get slabbed with PCGS if they understood the coin's history and it being shown in the holder. I understand what the coin may have looked like prior to the PCI grading is anybody's guess but I think it would help. In the end, it is for my personal collection so it does not need to be in a PCGS holder unless it was my preference. I am debating that though as most of my other Morgan toners are with PCGS. >>





Whether you decide to have PCGS slab it is up to you. Perhaps write Don Willis a pm asking him his thought
and link this thread.

PCI did not make inserts on purpose to tone coins.
Just like the Canadian Mint did not make original packaging for some of their coins specifically
to make them tone. But it is known for a fact that these particular holders do tone coins.

This is a Canadian set in the original Government holder.






Just like after market Capital holders tone coins.
I think it also, like many here have stated.....it comes down to market acceptable
and what I think is great is that PCGS now has "the sniffer"
I think this will help greatly to disipher AT. And NT coins


Capital holder toned coin

Constantine

I did send Don a PM respectfully asking if he could provide an opinion. Thanks!

holeinone1972

<< <i>I like it very much. I would submit. Perhaps one suggestion.
It has worked for me in the past.

When I find a great coin that I am concerned may not
slab I pm Don Willis with the pic's and ask him.

He usually replies.... Crack it out and submit.
Maybe if the question comes up he uses the pm as reference?

But I have had great results with Don



btw I should add..... He never promises it will slab though >>






Don just got 789 pm's!

LOL

Zoins

That Capital holder toned Frankie looks nice too!

SeattleSlammer

It looks AT to me.

lsica

IMHO... (which, with a buck, you can get a cup of coffee....)....

.9999 ASE's and Proofs tone differently than BU Morgans. In the first two you can see more "unusual" toning patterns, especially that "yellow to pink" progression. In Morgans... hmmm... I'd question it. Even if the "sniffer" comes up clean, they could still BB it, the toning "acceleration" may have happened long enough ago that any residue is long gone..

Kind of reminds me of this one I had, which WAS BB'd

coinsarefun

I finally found mine, its not as vivid as I recalled it being.

johnny9434

id leave it alone. theres nothing wrong with the tpg

Constantine

Hmmm, the camp seems divided. All I can say is that it has been in that holder for 20 years so it has originality to me.

Stefanie, I like your PCI Toner too. It has a toning pattern and color that seems to match up with how they tone in their holders. Although what is odd is that is a new holder. I like the subdued overal plum look.