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A RARE 1899 Philippine Centavo
HoledandCreative
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Looks very cool!
<< <i>What's the history on that one? >>
Well the Filipinos didn't exactly want to change one colonial master for another one. Actually they had been fighting the Spaniards for many years, when then at the conclusion of the Spanish American war, the USA acquired the Philippines from Spain. The Filipino "insurgency" switched gears from fighting the Spanish to fighting the Americans. They were largely defeated by 1902, but some level of combat continued until 1910. It is a period of history that has largely been glossed over and forgotten except in the Philippines. Estimates of Filipino losses are staggering, and American losses were considerable given that they were largely unreported in the press at the time.
In fact, it is a nasty stain in American history, particularly so given that Theodore Roosevelt actually stated and had written some fairly condemning racial epithets concerning the people of the Philippines - and he reflected the attitudes of the then WASP majority in the USA.
I know that the Filipinos had issued some paper money, but didn't know they even got a chance to do anything with coinage.
Heritage sold one(I think Helmet/no M) in 1998 but I don't know the history of that one. Does anyone know anything about it? A friend of mine owned one similar to it but I don't know if his coin ended up with Heritage after his passing. I was disappointed to not see the picture of the Heritage coin. Was it the one pictured in Krause?
Actually the fighting in the Philippines went on into the 1930's in the southern islands against the Moros.
That is what the browning model 1911 automatic pistol was developed for.
The pistols they were using did not stop th attacking moros who were hopped up on drugs.
There was a historical docu-drama movie made of all this staring Gary Cooper as a doctor in the film.
I can't remember the name , but i did see it. There is also a very rare book written about this period also.
Fighting still goes on today in this part of PI against present day terrorists (abu-saief?), only the philippine army is doing the fighting.
Krueger
I think the book title is "Muddy glory" amazon had it but it was real expensive.
it did come in paperback i saw one once on ebay, You may find a cheap one that way.
Another coin dealer told me he read it and it was not a good book.
Krueger
<< <i>Fighting still goes on today in this part of PI against present day terrorists (abu-saief?), only the philippine army is doing the fighting. >>
So they've been fighting the Spanish, the US, and the Philippines? How far back does this go?
Would they still be fighting if the US was never involved?
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Fighting still goes on today in this part of PI against present day terrorists (abu-saief?), only the philippine army is doing the fighting.
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The US has had advisers in and out of there several times in liaison with the Philippines army even in the past few years.
<< <i>That may be the coolest thing I've ever seen posted on this forum. I didn't even know these existed, but they're on my want list now! >>
To the back of the line, Mr Eureka!
<< <i>A neat piece of history from a shameful time in American colonial ambitions. >>
Not really. A majority of Americans and public officials at the time opposed colonialism. But did TR really have a choice? Who was he going to leave the country to? The Spanish? A group of local residents who had no experience building or governing a nation? Under U.S. jurisdiction, the P.I. became one of the most prosperous, educated countries in Asia and the local leaders enjoyed more governing autonomy compared to those in Asia under other colonial rulers at the time. It was during the post-war independence years that the P.I. became a basket case due primarily to corruption and incompetence. Many Filipinos still wish the U.S. had stayed on as they did in Guam, Puerto Rico, etc.
<< <i>Actually the fighting in the Philippines went on into the 1930's in the southern islands against the Moros.
That is what the browning model 1911 automatic pistol was developed for.
The pistols they were using did not stop th attacking moros who were hopped up on drugs.
There was a historical docu-drama movie made of all this staring Gary Cooper as a doctor in the film.
I can't remember the name , but i did see it. There is also a very rare book written about this period also.
Fighting still goes on today in this part of PI against present day terrorists (abu-saief?), only the philippine army is doing the fighting.
Krueger >>
Abu Sayyaf, loosely affiliated with Al-Qaeda these days.
The Philippine army is not alone in this fight.
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<< <i>Fighting still goes on today in this part of PI against present day terrorists (abu-saief?), only the philippine army is doing the fighting. >>
So they've been fighting the Spanish, the US, and the Philippines? How far back does this go?
Would they still be fighting if the US was never involved? >>
Yes, they have been fighting for an independent or autonomous Muslim region for over 400 years.
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Fighting still goes on today in this part of PI against present day terrorists (abu-saief?), only the philippine army is doing the fighting.
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The US has had advisers in and out of there several times in liaison with the Philippines army even in the past few years. >>
The "advisers" are still here.
I would guess this is an exceedingly rare coin. There may be information in one of the Aldo Basso reference books or if you PM me I can put you in touch with a few P.I. coin scholars/experts.
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<< <i>A neat piece of history from a shameful time in American colonial ambitions. >>
Not really. A majority of Americans and public officials at the time opposed colonialism. But did TR really have a choice? Who was he going to leave the country to? The Spanish? A group of local residents who had no experience building or governing a nation? Under U.S. jurisdiction, the P.I. became one of the most prosperous, educated countries in Asia and the local leaders enjoyed more governing autonomy compared to those in Asia under other colonial rulers at the time. It was during the post-war independence years that the P.I. became a basket case due primarily to corruption and incompetence. Many Filipinos still wish the U.S. had stayed on as they did in Guam, Puerto Rico, etc. >>
Good to know! Thanks
<< <i>A neat piece of history from a shameful time in American colonial ambitions. >>
Sheesh! You just had to pipe up with a contentious political statement, didn't you?
<< <i>It is a cool coin, but I think there may be only one known yet. It is still not listed in Krause, for one reason or another. The variety without the M countermark may be the most "common". Of course, just my opinion. I heard of a rumor of one being available, but I don't know which variety. >>
Might it be PCGS 159925 - 1899 Centavo KM-157?
If so, here's the Coin Facts Wiki page, though no one has done anything with the page. If it is indeed that coin, perhpas you could add your pics to the page.
A KM-156 version, which you said may be the most common, was auctioned by Heritage on June 5th, 1998 and sold for over $8,000 including the buyer's premium even then.
The one you have posted (not yours???) very well might be unique! So MrEureka and pruebas had better be financially well-heeled if it is to remain on their want lists. Well actually, it can remain on their want lists for free, but I suspect it would be a very pricey thing if purchased.
I knew Panay revolutionary coinage existed, (Panay is my home to my wife's family), and I knew the pieces were rare, but I didn't know just how exceedingly rare they actually were. Next time I go for a visit, I think I'm gonna take a metal detector.