Fake (Flip) PSA 1961 Yaz just sold on ebay

scotgreb

I can't be sure if the card is a fake (many on this board are more skilled at that than I) but this is one on the worst flips I've ever seen.

1961 Yaz

scooter729

I think that is fine - very early font used for just a short period, but the holder and flip are just fine.

magellan

The flip looks ok, but that ia a pretty bad 7, 4 dinged corners plus print defect? or just dirty. My 7 is much sharper looking.

twiley

Flip looks ok but card doesn't. Me thinks the slab might have been compromised and the real psa 7 was replaced with a lesser quality one. It is hard to tell because of the white background in the scan. I am willing to bet though if the scan was done with a black background there would be frost on it. If not then PSA really messed up bad on grading that one...

Dboneesq

Not sure of the Flip but I know there were ones similar years ago. As far as the card, DEFINITELY NOT a "7". Looks like a "5" to me.

twiley

Here are some old flips I own. They seem to match the flip the OP was asking about.






The flip on the auction appears to be ok. Its the card and slab I am not sure of...

divecchia

I'm not so sure the flip is good...

The "O" in TOPPS and ROOKIES on the Yaz does not match the "O" in PROCARDS on the Jeter. The cert numbers are way too narrow on the YAZ compared to the Jeter.

Edited to add: The number "8" on the Yaz is made up of a small "o" on top of a larger "O", where on the Jeter the two "O"'s that make up the number 8 are the same size.

Anyways the card definitely looks like crap for a PSA 7.

Donato

grote15

That flip doesn't look good to me either..

twiley

their flips changed so many times. I have seen flips just like the Yaz. Where the Grade was over like that and and the O was like that as well.

Look at the O on this one... Also look at the zeros... This is completely different all together.




Edit add: My guess is the Yaz flip is somewhere between this 1992 Foil Jeter and the Procards Jeter? Who knows. I can say I have seen old flips that look exactly like the Yaz flip though. I will search for it. It was post here on these forums a few months or a year ago.

Here is a back that has a completely different hologram.

twiley

Found it!!!

Check these flips out. Note the Os



and this one. Note the 8s



From this thread.

Link

Flip looks good. Slab might have frost? The card does not look good.

Edit add:

It appears this seller has some crappy high grade cards or all the cards had the ol switcharoo done with them.

Did anyone see the 57 Mantle the seller is selling? Boy this card sure doesn't look like an 8 to me.

57 Mantle

Check out this Rose RC psa 8 Yuck!

63 Rose

I don't like how they use the white background on the scans. It is a great way to hide frost on slabs...

divecchia

The Wilson and the Jordon look to match the Yaz. I did not recall seeing the flip with the narrower numbers, before. I do have a '71 Ryan card with a flip that has the slashes going through the zeros, so I have seen those before, but I did not recall seeing the other.

Thanks for the refresher on the evolution of the flip twiley, I appreciate it.

Donato

TonyC

Why would someone have tried to fake a PSA 7 1961 Topps Yaz anyway?

Tabe

<< <i>Why would someone have tried to fake a PSA 7 1961 Topps Yaz anyway? >>


Thank you for asking what I was thinking. Seems like a lot of hassle for a $40-$50 card.

Tabe

twiley

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<< <i>Why would someone have tried to fake a PSA 7 1961 Topps Yaz anyway? >>


Thank you for asking what I was thinking. Seems like a lot of hassle for a $40-$50 card.

Tabe >>



I couldn't agree more. However I wanted to point out that the flip does appear to be legit. The card inside however looks grossly over graded or there was a switcharoo done.

scooter729

<< <i>Why would someone have tried to fake a PSA 7 1961 Topps Yaz anyway? >>



Agreed. Grading was a bit inconsistent in the early 90s when this was graded. Conspiracy theorists are quick to assume a WIWAG for any overgraded card, but that's all this is, is slightly overgraded, and not a switched-out $50 card.

mcadams

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<< <i>Why would someone have tried to fake a PSA 7 1961 Topps Yaz anyway? >>



Agreed. Grading was a bit inconsistent in the early 90s when this was graded. Conspiracy theorists are quick to assume a WIWAG for any overgraded card, but that's all this is, is slightly overgraded, and not a switched-out $50 card. >>



WIWAG?

twiley

When It Was a Game, Inc.?

Link

Just a guess

scooter729

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<< <i>Why would someone have tried to fake a PSA 7 1961 Topps Yaz anyway? >>



Agreed. Grading was a bit inconsistent in the early 90s when this was graded. Conspiracy theorists are quick to assume a WIWAG for any overgraded card, but that's all this is, is slightly overgraded, and not a switched-out $50 card. >>



WIWAG? >>



Sorry for not explaining - yeah, the link to Net54 explains it all. WIWAG was a company called When it Was a Game, who many years ago busted open PSA holders, and put in authentic but lower conditioned cards into the original holder, re-graded the higher grade original card, etc., lather, rinse, repeat.

scotgreb

Thanks to all who produced the similar flips -- I definitely learned something.

My "concern" was the lack of right justification -- that seems to be a common theme for fake flips.