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Need help with a potential buy: raw '52 Topps Mantle

80scollector80scollector Posts: 39
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I might be able to get this at a good price and just wanted to know what everyone else thought about it? Is it real, is it trimmed? In works with the seller to somehow get it graded before I buy it, but i wouldn't want to miss this baby if it's real! Thanks for all your thoughts!

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  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    psa 3.. looks good.. that price makes me nervous
  • IronmanfanIronmanfan Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭✭
    maybe it's me, but I would never buy this particular card raw (good deal or not).....

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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks trimmed to me. Check out the right edge toward the top of the card.

    Good luck!
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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    Edges on the right side look rolled as if a pair of scissors was used. Back of the card shows that effect even more. I also don't like the look of the card overall.

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  • 80scollector80scollector Posts: 39
    Maybe this is one I'd really have to see in person, hmmm would love to have it slabbed first. Something to talk about i guess, thanks for your thoughts guys.
  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭
    Do not buy that card without getting it graded first.
    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
  • tigerdeantigerdean Posts: 910 ✭✭✭
    That card is a FAKE. DO NOT BUY. http://home.comcast.net/~52mantle/52toppsmantlefake.htm

    The black border lines are not proper. Check this website for sound information.
  • judgebuckjudgebuck Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭
    I wouldn't ever buy a Mantle rookie that wasn't graded by either PSA or SGC.

    Always looking for Mantle cards such as Stahl Meyer, 1954 Dan Dee, 1959 Bazooka, 1960 Post, 1952 Star Cal Decal, 1952 Tip Top Bread Labels, 1953-54 Briggs Meat, and other Topps, Bowman, and oddball Mantles.

  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,438 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I might be able to get this at a good price and just wanted to know what everyone else thought about it? Is it real, is it trimmed? In works with the seller to somehow get it graded before I buy it, but i wouldn't want to miss this baby if it's real! Thanks for all your thoughts!

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    I don't have a good feeling about that card.
    Mike
  • Probstein123Probstein123 Posts: 1,281 ✭
    doesn't look right
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  • Sean1125Sean1125 Posts: 3,479
    There is a guy on ebay selling "authentic looking" reprints printed on "authentic vintage" card stock with an "authentic printing press"... Due to a$$hats like this I wouldn't buy the card if it wasn't in a non-frosted slab.
  • 80scollector80scollector Posts: 39
    Thanks guys I think i'm just gonna fork over the extra coin and try finding one that has actually been authenticated by a well known company, appreciate all of your help, I'm staying away from this one.
  • ajwajw Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    What percentage of people thought "fake" even before clicking on the thread? I know I did...
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭


    << <i>That card is a FAKE. DO NOT BUY. http://home.comcast.net/~52mantle/52toppsmantlefake.htm

    The black border lines are not proper. Check this website for sound information. >>



    I agree. This page from Josh's website shows the problem even better - the black border lines are wrong for this version (complete box around Yankees logo) of the card.

    Nick
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  • willsohlwillsohl Posts: 64
    The yellows are actually a dead give away also, Way to bright........
    Compare to the graded card..

    wsohl
  • SDSportsFanSDSportsFan Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That card is 100% fake. It's been artificially aged/worn to look old, but it is definitely a fake.

    Take a look at the bottom left corner. On this particular variation of the Mantle (there are two distinct variations of the card), the bottom-left corner should be diaganal, due to a missing pixel at the tip of the corner.

    On the card in this thread, the bottom-left corner comes to a point (there is no missing pixel).

    Here's a LINK to a counterfeit detection guide from BBCEmporium.

    Steve
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,950 ✭✭✭✭
    It looks trimmed AND fake. Look at that swooping right edge, especially toward the top. I bet it's even modern size instead of like the slightly larger 1952s.
  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    I wouldn't touch that thing if it had nipples on it.
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's basically, in a nutshell, only one way to buy this card raw...you had better have handled, viewed and owned many hundreds of 1952 Topps baseball cards, studied them under a loupe, and handled them to get the feel and the look of genuine cards...and you'd better comprehend the printing processes involved in how cards are printed and how reprints are made including knowledge about offset printing, color separation, and all things such as that so you will know and understand how fakes are made...otherwise you are simply being a glutton for punishment and chances are virtually certain you will get scammed. I also analyze other factors such as who is the seller, the circumstances behind the offering of the card and other possibilities.

    Unless you can do all of the above, then ya only buy a card like this slabbed by PSA or perhaps SGC.
  • ReljacReljac Posts: 758


    << <i>That card is a FAKE. DO NOT BUY. http://home.comcast.net/~52mantle/52toppsmantlefake.htm

    The black border lines are not proper. Check this website for sound information. >>



    What he said.. this card is definitely a fake and isn't representative of either of the two known variations of the card.

    Standard Varitions of the Mantle Card

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  • jgrigalijgrigali Posts: 364 ✭✭
    wow, awesome link about 52 mantles. i had started putting that kind of information together on my own, since I'm starting to look for one myself.
  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    common fake...

    the easiest way to easily see its a fake..... is the black line around the image is way too dark compared to the dark parts of the image ie the "R" on the uniform where it meets the black line. in other words....The whole card has a washed out look.... minus the black line

    common fake worthless garbage.
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