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Monetization Of The National Debt Is Inevitable

storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

The charts below paint a gloomy picture for folks who
are not taking steps to protect their wealth.



Charts Tell The Whole Story



The kite could crash anytime. The printing-press solution
will be invoked, eventually; prolly sooner rather than later.




Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Same basic stuff that David Walker (former Comptroller of the Currency) has been preaching for years. There are still enough
    leftovers in congress from the "deficits don't matter" crowd that getting things on track any time soon is probably a pipe-dream.
    Their primary concern is getting their retirement war-chest padded and a lucrative post-govt job lined up.

    The only thing missing from this analysis is that no mention of otc derivatives or off-balance sheet risks are brought up.
    Only thing easily understood are being considered. Many GSE's are loaded with derivatives. And it would appear that the
    TBTF banks are counting on the US govt to socialize any future derivative's losses they may accrue.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The National Debt has already been monetized. That's what they hired the bernake for.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭
    And it would appear that the
    TBTF banks are counting on the US govt to socialize any future derivative's losses they may accrue.


    We don't have that option open anymore. How does the U.S. come up with the trillions needed for that? I think we are indeed headed for some dark times ahead. Default or inflate our way out of our debt?
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And it would appear that the TBTF banks are counting on the US govt to socialize any future derivative's losses they may accrue.

    We don't have that option open anymore. How does the U.S. come up with the trillions needed for that? I think we are indeed headed for some dark times ahead. Default or inflate our way out of our debt? >>



    How? The same way they paid off trillions around the world to thousands of payees using AIG's back door...with "funny" money that never shows up in M1, M2, or M3.
    Whatever comes after QE2 and QE2 light won't be called QE3, but you can bet that back door monetization will continue. Fannie and Freddie are
    waiting with open arms to accept all the junk assets that Geithner and Bernanke want to throw out. It could amount to Trillions on its own. The
    FED's foreign custody (slush fund) account grew by hundreds of billions of dollars per year during the years surrounding the financial crisis. Yet doesn't show up
    in M1, M2, or M3. It's a checking/brokerage account that's about 20% of GDP. Many shell games can occur here as well as other places in the shadows.
    Swapping illiquid foreign held agency debt for spanking new TBonds is just one such game. The FED has already shown that they don't congressional approval
    to issue trillions of dollars in assets. Where there's a will...there's a way.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And it would appear that the
    TBTF banks are counting on the US govt to socialize any future derivative's losses they may accrue.


    We don't have that option open anymore. How does the U.S. come up with the trillions needed for that? >>




    I agree. Any future bank bailouts will have to be covert, cuz J6P aint gonna let happen like last time. And when/if it gets to that event again, it will finally trigger the deflation that has been postponed for 3 generations. Maybe it will take 4 generations, but its coming.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    It is very simple. The Fed will print 74 notes in the denomination of one trillion dollars

    and pay off all of our Federal obligations. Zimbabwe USA.image
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,104 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What happens when a country falls apart [i.e. the USSR, Germany after WW1] as a result of it being unable to pay its obligations? Are the holders of those obligations [i.e. persons and companies and foreign governements holding US T-Bills] out of luck and unable to collect the monies owed? Or does the new government that rises from the ashes of the old government legally obligated to honor [if only partially] the obligations of its predecessor?

    Whatever the answer is, are we looking at this occurence as the inevitable place where the USA [and for that matter many other countries in the world] are going to end up?
  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It is very simple. The Fed will print 74 notes in the denomination of one trillion dollars

    and pay off all of our Federal obligations. Zimbabwe USA.image >>



    I laughed out loud reading that. I think they should print one and send it to China, along with a photo of Obama showing them the middle-fingered international symbol of friendship.
    "Men who had never shown any ability to make or increase fortunes for themselves abounded in brilliant plans for creating and increasing wealth for the country at large." Fiat Money Inflation in France, Andrew Dickson White (1912)
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>It is very simple. The Fed will print 74 notes in the denomination of one trillion dollars

    and pay off all of our Federal obligations. Zimbabwe USA.image >>



    I laughed out loud reading that. I think they should print one and send it to China, along with a photo of Obama showing them the middle-fingered international symbol of friendship. >>




    Rather than print funny money and pawn it off on other countries, I believe they found a better way to rip them off---------by creating derivatives and selling them to foreign countries to steal their more valuable wealth and currencyimage--------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,656 ✭✭✭
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rather than print funny money and pawn it off on other countries, I believe they found a better way to rip them off---------by creating derivatives and selling them to foreign countries to steal their more valuable wealth and currency--------BigE image

    Yeah, that works good until they get smart.image

    How long do think that it will take until they do? image
    Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally

    I knew it would happen.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As usual, I have a funny way of looking at things. To me, the only difference (beyond the short term) between government debt and paper money is that they pay interest on the debt. Therefore, "monetizing the debt" is just a mini-default. I say "mini", because it saves the government little (at current interest rates) and costs you nothing (because you can at least still use the freshly printed paper to pay your taxes). So to me, monetizing the debt is a non-issue, even with respect to inflation. In other words, when debt is monetized, it's only the result of damage that was already done. And if the damage was already done, and if nothing has really changed, what is going to move the market?
    Andy Lustig

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