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Greatest ALL-AROUND Infield of all time?

halfcentmanhalfcentman Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭
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HERE ARE MY CHOICES (One in the books, and one still current)

1934 Detroit Tigers (Cochrane, Greenberg, Gehringer, and two other players)

2009 Yankees (Posada, Teixiera, Cano, Jeter, ARod)

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  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Joe Tinker, John Evers, Frank Chance and what's his name.
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  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    How about the Dodgers of the 1970's? Garvey, Lopes, Russell, Cey, and Yeager were maybe not as great as some other infields, but they were very, very good for eight years together.
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  • halfcentmanhalfcentman Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Had Pete Rose started playing 3B in 1973 as opposed to OF, you could make a compelling argument for the 1973 Reds (Bench, Perez, Morgan, Rose, Concepcion). As it stands, it's hard to argue against the 2009 Yankees, especially in light of the fact that they won the World Series that year, which I place a fair amount of importance on. >>



    WOW! That's an excellent observation. 4 HOF'ers, and a sick glove at SS.

    The Tigers infield has 3 HOF'ers. I did not have time to do research on the other 2 players.
  • Mickey71Mickey71 Posts: 4,252 ✭✭✭✭
    Some great choices so far.
  • SabermanSaberman Posts: 677
    1975 Reds vs 2009 Yanks

    OPS+

    C Bench 140, Posada 125....Big edge defenseively to Bench
    1B Perez 124, Teixeira 141.....Slight Edge defensively for Teixeira
    2B Morgan 169, Cano 121...Edge defensively to Morgan
    SS Concepcion 87, Jeter 125....Big edge defensively to Concepcion
    3B Rose 132, Arod 138...Slight edge defensively to Arod

    Total WAR

    1975 Reds infield 29.4
    1934 Tigers infield 29.3
    2009 Yanks infield 24.1

    With the defensive edge up the middle so far to the Reds favor, and with the better baserunners the Reds have...

    That should be enough to proclaim the 1975 Reds infield as superior to the 2009 Yanks.

    But the fact that the same Reds infield put up a 26.2 WAR in 1976, gives even more.


    Add that the same infield(except Driessen playing 3B instead of ROse) in 1974, put up a 26.1 WAR...and would be 29.5 had they chosen to play a capable Rose at 3B instead, it gives them THREE seasons as a group better than the 2009 Yanks.

    The 1934 Tigers vs the 1975 Reds is the best vs best. They are basically the same via WAR, but the baserunning aspects that WAR doesn't cover, and the Reds vastly superior baserunners in that comparison, should tip the scales to the Reds favor.

    Then the Reds have three+ years as an infield, compared to the TIgers two.

    Add the era each was done in(the Reds doing it in the tougher competitive era to separate from the average peer), then I think it is fair to say the Reds do beat the Tigers.



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  • HallcoHallco Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The all-time greatest infield:

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  • halfcentmanhalfcentman Posts: 1,498 ✭✭✭


    << <i>After reading Saberman's post, I think it would have to go to the 1975 Reds hands down. The 1934 Tigers didn't win the World Series so I have a problem with that pick. The 1908 Cubs also had analytical numbers higher than the 2009 Yankees if one wants to go back that far though it is arguably prior to the era of "modern" baseball. >>



    You also have to keep in mind that the 2009 Yankees is a work-in-progress. Teixeria and Cano have 5+ years ahead of them.

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    my dad often mentions Tinker to Evers to Chance, so i guess the Tribe had a pretty sound Infield during the late 1940's.
  • baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭
    i would go with the 70's reds
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  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭
    Question for those suggesting the Reds. How?

    Compare side by side (and assume Rose at 3B):

    Perez vs Teixeira = Teixeira (Offensively Teixeira is slightly above Perez, but defensively he wins the battle)
    Cano vs Morgan = Cano (Hard to argue that Morgan had great numbers, but Cano's are better aside from SB's)
    Jeter vs Concepcion = Jeter (Not even a contest)
    Rodriguez vs Rose = Rodriguez (Sorry Rose fans, but this isn't even close - Rose was a hit machine, but ARod's batting average is the same with 450 more HR's and 100 more SB's)
    Posada vs Bench = Bench (Bench wins this hands down)
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree the '75 Reds and 2009 Yanks as the best.

    I can't judge the '34 Tigers team cause I never saw them play.
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  • metrothememetrotheme Posts: 548
    1938 Newark Eagles - THREE Hall of Famers

    3B - Ray Dandridge (HOF) - One of the best, if not the best fielding 3B ever.
    SS - Willie Wells (HOF) - Great fielder and superb hitter.
    2B - Dick Seay - Good field / singles hitter.
    1B - Mule Suttles (HOF) - Power comparable to Josh Gibson
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭


    << <i>my dad often mentions Tinker to Evers to Chance, so i guess the Tribe had a pretty sound Infield during the late 1940's. >>





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    Good for you.
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