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Is this Buffalo nickel an error or simply a Weak Strike?

coirncoirn Posts: 500
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It's graded MS60 with PCGS.

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  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,310 ✭✭✭✭
    weak strike

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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    Very weak strike.

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  • coirncoirn Posts: 500


    << <i>Very weak strike.

    -Paul >>



    Full horn though!
    Thought that was odd.
  • InternetJunkyInternetJunky Posts: 2,329 ✭
    Verrrrryyyy weak strike. Personally have never seen one this weak before.
  • MoldnutMoldnut Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭✭
    Picture getting that in the mail after buying an UNC buff sight unseen
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  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's very cool.
  • RB1026RB1026 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭✭
    Perhaps a new TPG designation is warranted - "UWS" (Ultra Weak Strike!) image
  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,949 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Die adujstment test strike?
  • Rob85635Rob85635 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭
    From what I have learned the two key features that wear ( date and horn ) are near perfect so I agree, ultra weak strike, I have never seen a buffalo like this before. If the date and horn were not near perfect I would think it was polished or something. Neato.
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  • coirncoirn Posts: 500
    I bought it tonight. I was thinking maybe greased filled die.
    I know with PCGS if you don't pony up the extra cash in the submission for error service then it comes back graded without any special designation.

    Then again... could be like so many others declare, just a weak strike.
  • canadanzcanadanz Posts: 618 ✭✭
    That is an incredibly weak strike even for a Buff. Was this graded as AU or low MS? I saw it on TT and couldn't believe it, but can't remember the grade.
  • OnWithTheHuntOnWithTheHunt Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Separated at birth? Got this one raw off ebay longer ago than I can remember.

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    << <i>image

    It's graded MS60 with PCGS. >>


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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,837 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Die adujstment test strike? >>



    That was my first thought when I saw it. Wouldn't that make it an error since I don't think it was the mint's intention to release die adjustment strikes into circulation unless the strike was fairly adequate.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Weak strike or defective planchet. It is a good example of a coin that should have been either rejected for grading or placed in a genuine holder.
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  • errormavenerrormaven Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭
    Instead of a weak (low-pressure) strike, I suspect it was struck on an abnormally hard planchet. This interferes with plastic deformation of the coin metal. However, there's no easy way to determine which of these problems caused the poor strike.

    "Die adjustment strikes" represent nothing more than wishful thinking. Unless you were there when a profoundly weak strike was produced, there's no way to establish whether the coin is an escapee from a test run or simply the product of spontaneous equipment malfunction. Many independent lines of evidence suggest that the vast majority of "die adjustment strikes" are simply examples of equipment malfunction. But the myth refuses to die. I'll just keep hammering away until it does.
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Looks like grease filled dies to me.
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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,534 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • InternetJunkyInternetJunky Posts: 2,329 ✭


    << <i>Looks like grease filled dies to me. >>



    I had initially thought that too.

    I wonder what some of the experts on Buffs like koynekwest and crazyhounddog have to say about it...
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW!!!! This has got to be the weakest strike for this date I've ever seen. I have a 1916 and a 28-d with weak strikes but not as bad as this one. I like your Buff, very cool coin!!image
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  • coirncoirn Posts: 500
    Thank you!
    I personally think PCGS beat up the grade due to the total weakness of the strike. I am hoping instead though it was caused by grease filled dies. I'll know more when it is delivered.

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say an extraordinarily weak strike. This date/Mint is well known for weak strikes, especially at the centers, but this one is extreme. Other dates that occasionally show this type of weakness are the 1918-S and the 1934-D, among others.

    A so-called "die trial" would show the same extreme weakness around the periphery as well as in the centers and the coin shown would be an atypical example of a grease filled die due to the extent of the weakness.
  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ya know, this coin looks like a trial strike to me. I've seen weak strikes before but this one here is extreme to say the least! I have read back then the mint were striking these Buffs and many trial strikes were just tossed into the hopper with the rest of the regular strikes. It is also a fact the mint set these dies to far apart as not to break or damage them. But this coin seems just so gosh darn weak I just wonder if it is a trial strike???? But how would a guy know for sure?
    It's a very cool looking coin either way!!image
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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Ya know, this coin looks like a trial strike to me. I've seen weak strikes before but this one here is extreme to say the least! I have read back then the mint were striking these Buffs and many trial strikes were just tossed into the hopper with the rest of the regular strikes. It is also a fact the mint set these dies to far apart as not to break or damage them. But this coin seems just so gosh darn weak I just wonder if it is a trial strike???? But how would a guy know for sure?
    It's a very cool looking coin either way!!image >>



    I believe a trial strike would show the same extreme weakness around the periphery as well as at the centers.
  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,932 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Super weak strike as mentioned.

    Here's a PCGS MS63 that is bad but not anywhere as bad as the OP's
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  • breakdownbreakdown Posts: 2,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you look at p. 67 of Lange's Complete Guide to Buffalo Nickels, you will see a 35-S from the Fivaz collection that looks nearly identical to the coin in the OP. Lange states that the coin was struck with the dies set too far apart and that this occurs when the press is started or stopped and is not at full stroke. Lange does not list it as an error but as a severe example of a weak strike.
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  • questor54questor54 Posts: 1,351 ✭
    I don't see that many MS60 coins. Higher and lower, yes, but not that many 60s.
  • goodmoney4badmoneygoodmoney4badmoney Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>
    "Die adjustment strikes" represent nothing more than wishful thinking. Unless you were there when a profoundly weak strike was produced, there's no way to establish whether the coin is an escapee from a test run or simply the product of spontaneous equipment malfunction. Many independent lines of evidence suggest that the vast majority of "die adjustment strikes" are simply examples of equipment malfunction. But the myth refuses to die. I'll just keep hammering away until it does. >>



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  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Picture getting that in the mail after buying an UNC buff sight unseen >>



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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,068 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Here's mine....
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