Langbord lawsuit: Is anyone going to attend the trial?; and have you lost interest in it as it drags
SanctionII
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Between now and early July the case will either settle [no evidence of this yet] or go to trial [likely].
Are any of you forumites located in the Northeast planning on stopping by the Federal Courthouse in Philly to watch the trial? If so, send me a PM cuz I would like to have a discussion with you.
Further, this case has dragged on for over 4 years now. I have been reporting on the case to the forums for going on 4 years. My reports have a tendency to repeat the same stuff over and over and over and over and over and over again [i.e. burden of proof] until my fingers, through "muscle memory", can type a new report without my brain participating at all.
Replies to Langbord threads have dropped off quite a bit since the major court rulings in 7-2009 and 10-2010. This is understandable and not unexpected. It is sort of like the ebb and flow of interest in AT/NT threads. Sometimes people are interested, sometimes they are not.
So how interested or disinterested are you at this time [and from now through the commencement and conclusion of the trial] are you in the case?
I am curious if forumite interest in this case has, like Elvis, "Left The Building", or if it is just on standby until the trial actually begins.
The reason I ask is to gauge interest in having daily reports on what happens at the trial.
Your thoughts please.
Are any of you forumites located in the Northeast planning on stopping by the Federal Courthouse in Philly to watch the trial? If so, send me a PM cuz I would like to have a discussion with you.
Further, this case has dragged on for over 4 years now. I have been reporting on the case to the forums for going on 4 years. My reports have a tendency to repeat the same stuff over and over and over and over and over and over again [i.e. burden of proof] until my fingers, through "muscle memory", can type a new report without my brain participating at all.
Replies to Langbord threads have dropped off quite a bit since the major court rulings in 7-2009 and 10-2010. This is understandable and not unexpected. It is sort of like the ebb and flow of interest in AT/NT threads. Sometimes people are interested, sometimes they are not.
So how interested or disinterested are you at this time [and from now through the commencement and conclusion of the trial] are you in the case?
I am curious if forumite interest in this case has, like Elvis, "Left The Building", or if it is just on standby until the trial actually begins.
The reason I ask is to gauge interest in having daily reports on what happens at the trial.
Your thoughts please.
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I dream that I could go....
It's a 2.5 hour trip 1 way for me. I must (a word I rarely use) be here to be dad for the kid after school. That makes attendance virtually impossible.
and there are no more school holidays until memorial day. So, I can't even get lucky with a coincidental day off and hearing date.
I, for one, have not lost any interest whatsoever. However I feel bad for all the work you do. Frankly I think either Coin World or Numismatic News ought to hire you for your expert view and especially your ability to explain things so clearly that even the duller CU members (=me) can follow along.
question: is there an easy way for an average joe like me to downlod these filings on my own???
<< <i>SanctionII
I, for one, have not lost any interest whatsoever. However I feel bad for all the work you do. Frankly I think either Coin World or Numismatic News ought to hire you for your expert view and especially your ability to explain things so clearly that even the duller CU members (=me) can follow along. >>
True. You could write articles on this for them.
To have on line access to Federal Court records you must join and subscribe to PACER (the federal court system's Public Access to Court Electronic Records system). Joining is easy. Navigating the site is easy. However, you pay eight cents per page that you view on the PACER system [During my keeping up with the Langbord lawsuit I have spent hundreds of dollars on PACER fees; though I also use PACER for my legal cases that I handle in my law practice].
Until then, not so much.
bake sale? no. doesn't seem right...
junk silver sale??? that has potential.
to buy.
the "forgotten" safety deposit box "discovery" being announced was the climax.
the rest is all down hill.
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<< <i>Let me know when it is. I live an hour away and can go to jewlers row to see my friends, then JENO'S!! >>
Hi Thats "Geno's" but you may want to go to "John's Roast Pork" . I'm thinking of going to see how the trial works out, as I live just outside Philadelphia
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<< <i>replies may have fallen off but that is probably because the debate has died down and people are waiting on a ruling.
question: is there an easy way for an average joe like me to downlod these filings on my own??? >>
I use pacer a bit, generally for research when I'm trying not to recreate a wheel. I've used it for years and last month was the first time I have ever been billed...It does help however if you know what your trying to find...A lot of stuff is just extra junk filings...
Access to court documents costs $0.08 per page. The cost to access a single document is capped at $2.40, the equivalent of 30 pages. The cap does not apply to name searches, reports that are not case-specific and transcripts of federal court proceedings.
By Judicial Conference policy, if your usage does not exceed $10 in a quarter, fees for that quarter are waived, effectively making the service free for most users.
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I am interested in de-criminalizing all coins issued by the Mint however they got out of the Mint, except for situations involving smuggling coins out of the Mint (which is what I believe happened with the Sacagawea/ quarters mules). Hopefully this will be one of the outcomes of this legal process.
On the other hand, I am still mystified as to why the Langbords would give the coins to the government. They could have been safely sold in foreign countries IMO. But maybe this crazy strategy will work.
So, in conclusion, Sanction II, you have done great service to the Forum in reporting what is going on in this case, and I hope that you will continue this until the case is concluded.
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Have read all of your posts with great interest. Lack of response indicates lack of legal knowledge upon which to base any cogent commentary, not lack of interest.
I sincerely appreciate your summaries.
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<< <i>Have read all of your posts with great interest. Lack of response indicates lack of legal knowledge upon which to base any cogent commentary, not lack of interest. >>
+1
to see.
I read all your posts and have from day one. Yes, it does drag on and on and on, but that's
how lawsuits go.
The only lawsuit I've ever been in I had to sue for a commission. Took over 3 years, 3 times
to court and depositions ad infinitum! Oh, I won and got treble damages. But, guess what
the fees were? Hmmmmmm, at least I won. I hope the Langborgs come out with some
money in the end.
bob
<< <i>So, in conclusion, Sanction II, you have done great service to the Forum in reporting what is going on in this case, and I hope that you will continue this until the case is concluded >>
What he said.
Well put RichieURich.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
I'll echo others and thank you for the amount of work it takes to research and write your updates. The clarity with with you communicate some fairly complicated legal issues makes you an ideal legal journalist and a born instructor for we unwashed.
I may go to the trial. I grew up near Philly and am acquainted with Ms. Langbord -- I used to get coins from the old Switt shop on occasion a decade or so ago. It wouldn't be hard for me to swing down for the trial and hang out in Center City for a few days. I'd like to think I'd be able to understand the proceedings -- a short-lived internship with the county DA when I was a high school kid exposed me to the tap dance that is the trial system, and my girlfriend is an attorney who can help me understand the nittier gritty of it all.
So keep on updating us. And definitely let us know the trial date when it's posted. If you come east to see the spectacle, I'll buy you the first Yuengling and take you to a good cheesesteak joint.
Incidentally, this is not their first experience with a legal claim upon an object they own:
Lost trophy found
Lost trophy kept
Lost trophy returned
Betts medals, colonial coins, US Mint medals, foreign coins found in early America, and other numismatic Americana
JK: Very interesting story. It looks like the Challenge Cup will be a major draw in two weeks. I wonder how much the Langbords got? $250,000 is my guess.
I read everything you write about this case. I very much appreciate everything you've done keeping us updated. Thanks buddy.
Who knows, there may be many 1933 coins just waiting to come out into the open!
-Paul
<< <i>I have not lost interest at all, and read every post. And I am still very appreciative of what you're doing. Thank you!!
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<< <i>I have not lost interest at all, and read every post. And I am still very appreciative of what you're doing. Thank you!!
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<< <i>I have not lost interest at all, and read every post. And I am still very appreciative of what you're doing. Thank you!!
I agree as well. It's been a lot of fun just following this case.
<< <i>I will be interested in the final ruling and subsequent disposition of the coins.
Until then, not so much. >>
Same here.
<< <i>I will be interested in the final ruling and subsequent disposition of the coins.
Until then, not so much. >>
Following the trial seems to be...way of life?
<< I have not lost interest at all, and read every post. And I am still very appreciative of what you're doing. Thank you!! >>
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I think that a lot of us still read the posts and are interested.
Agree totally, I can't wait till they hit the market. I think it will be a shot in the arm for coins. A big publicity stunt that should draw dollars to our hobby.
<< <i>Kevin,
I read everything you write about this case. I very much appreciate everything you've done keeping us updated. Thanks buddy. >>
This case is ridiculous and a perfect example of gov strong arm in action. Sanction, I appreciate the reporting you do for all of us here. I'm just waiting for the Chewbaca defense to show up and blow everybodys mind.
K