the "DC" silver eagles
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what's the deal with these.. how many did he make? are they just 2009? do uncs exist?
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<< <i>These were 2009 UNC and since no proofs were made, D. Carr decided to fill that niche and take real 2009 UNC eagles (I think) and re strike them with proof dies, thus making proof coins, right? Or were these Blank 1 oz rounds that were struck proof to resemble a 2009 proof? Can't tell without the reverse shot. >>
It was the former. As stated, they were created because the US Mint did not create proofs for collectors that year. They are "overstrikes" in that they are UNC ASEs which are overstruck to give them a proofed finish. I believe they were sold on TV with relatively wide exposure. It's possible the uneventful selling of these pieces without the US Mint / DOJ response to other issues contributed to the creation of the 1964-D Peace Dollars.
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<< <i>These were 2009 UNC and since no proofs were made, D. Carr decided to fill that niche and take real 2009 UNC eagles (I think) and re strike them with proof dies, thus making proof coins, right? Or were these Blank 1 oz rounds that were struck proof to resemble a 2009 proof? Can't tell without the reverse shot. >>
It was the former. As stated, they were created because the US Mint did not create proofs for collectors that year. They are "overstrikes" in that they are UNC ASEs which are overstruck to give them a proofed finish. I believe they were sold on TV with relatively wide exposure. It's possible the uneventful selling of these pieces without the US Mint / DOJ response to other issues contributed to the creation of the 1964-D Peace Dollars. >>
I agree - the goofy 1964-D 'Peace Dollars' opened the door to a bunch of this kind of stuff.
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<< <i>These were 2009 UNC and since no proofs were made, D. Carr decided to fill that niche and take real 2009 UNC eagles (I think) and re strike them with proof dies, thus making proof coins, right? Or were these Blank 1 oz rounds that were struck proof to resemble a 2009 proof? Can't tell without the reverse shot. >>
It was the former. As stated, they were created because the US Mint did not create proofs for collectors that year. They are "overstrikes" in that they are UNC ASEs which are overstruck to give them a proofed finish. I believe they were sold on TV with relatively wide exposure. It's possible the uneventful selling of these pieces without the US Mint / DOJ response to other issues contributed to the creation of the 1964-D Peace Dollars. >>
I agree - the goofy 1964-D 'Peace Dollars' opened the door to a bunch of this kind of stuff. >>
I was thinking it was the other way around. The 2009-DC ASEs opened the door for the 1964-D Peace Dollars....
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<< <i>These were 2009 UNC and since no proofs were made, D. Carr decided to fill that niche and take real 2009 UNC eagles (I think) and re strike them with proof dies, thus making proof coins, right? Or were these Blank 1 oz rounds that were struck proof to resemble a 2009 proof? Can't tell without the reverse shot. >>
It was the former. As stated, they were created because the US Mint did not create proofs for collectors that year. They are "overstrikes" in that they are UNC ASEs which are overstruck to give them a proofed finish. I believe they were sold on TV with relatively wide exposure. It's possible the uneventful selling of these pieces without the US Mint / DOJ response to other issues contributed to the creation of the 1964-D Peace Dollars. >>
I agree - the goofy 1964-D 'Peace Dollars' opened the door to a bunch of this kind of stuff. >>
I was thinking it was the other way around. The 2009-DC ASEs opened the door for the 1964-D Peace Dollars.... >>
This is correct...the fake proof 2009 preceded the fake 1964 peace dollars.
Just a way to prey upon folks who are compulsive and want to fill album holes at any cost.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I will note that no 2009 AGE Proofs were made.
Anyone willing to sacrifice a bullion AGE for a proof overstrike??? (To the dismay of the forum, perhaps this needs it's own thread, or maybe the carr mega-thread?)
<< <i>I think it was the 2009 ASEs that opened the door for the 1964D
I will note that no 2009 AGE Proofs were made.
Anyone willing to sacrifice a bullion AGE for a proof overstrike??? (To the dismay of the forum, perhaps this needs it's own thread, or maybe the carr mega-thread?) >>
My bad - I got the order wrong. Still goofy - but I guess I can just think of them as silver rounds.
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<< <i>These were 2009 UNC and since no proofs were made, D. Carr decided to fill that niche and take real 2009 UNC eagles (I think) and re strike them with proof dies, thus making proof coins, right? Or were these Blank 1 oz rounds that were struck proof to resemble a 2009 proof? Can't tell without the reverse shot. >>
It was the former. As stated, they were created because the US Mint did not create proofs for collectors that year. They are "overstrikes" in that they are UNC ASEs which are overstruck to give them a proofed finish. I believe they were sold on TV with relatively wide exposure. It's possible the uneventful selling of these pieces without the US Mint / DOJ response to other issues contributed to the creation of the 1964-D Peace Dollars. >>
I agree - the goofy 1964-D 'Peace Dollars' opened the door to a bunch of this kind of stuff. >>
I was thinking it was the other way around. The 2009-DC ASEs opened the door for the 1964-D Peace Dollars.... >>
This is correct...the fake proof 2009 preceded the fake 1964 peace dollars.
Just a way to prey upon folks who are compulsive and want to fill album holes at any cost. >>
There won't be an album hole for a coin that the Mint never created.
I didn't buy two to fill the holes that don't exist. I just like the idea.
Now, if he was a huckster that over-hyped them, I'd probably be put off by that and have passed. That'd make it seem like something done just to sucker people in, instead of something done for fun and to make something interesting.
I will note that the varied mint marks on these, and the varied finishes and handling on the 64Ds did eventually give me the impression the variances were done to suck more money out of people who also collect varieties. That thought did not and does not sit well with me.
The album makers had spots for those years for the SAEs. There was a hole.
The USMint did strike 1964 peace dollars (and "all were melted") so, for many folks, there is a "hole" there.
Other's may have done a lot of the hyping, but DC did his fair share, imho, as well. To each their own, and I don't even mind if folks own Chinese counterfeits to fill in the holes in their albums, but to pass either the dc, or chinese, ones off as collectibles is laughable to me. I know some disagree with me, and that's ok. Collect what you want.....I just don't like to see folks try to hype/push these on others (not saying you have, but others definitely have, as they have posted more than a few threads, and attacked those that expressed disinterest/dislike on these things). Heck, people even want(ed) PCGS to encapsulate/grade them.......
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Scott, you see it one way, I see it another.
The album makers had spots for those years for the SAEs. There was a hole.
The USMint did strike 1964 peace dollars (and "all were melted") so, for many folks, there is a "hole" there.
Other's may have done a lot of the hyping, but DC did his fair share, imho, as well. To each their own, and I don't even mind if folks own Chinese counterfeits to fill in the holes in their albums, but to pass either the dc, or chinese, ones off as collectibles is laughable to me. I know some disagree with me, and that's ok. Collect what you want.....I just don't like to see folks try to hype/push these on others (not saying you have, but others definitely have, as they have posted more than a few threads, and attacked those that expressed disinterest/dislike on these things). Heck, people even want(ed) PCGS to encapsulate/grade them....... >>
There was a lot of healthy, informative and interesting debate and discussion; however, from what I saw, the "attacks" were more generally from people that showed dislike of the pieces. The attacks seemed to grow as the pieces were produced, sold and collected.