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When a coin's weight and diameter are "off"...

ObiwancanoliObiwancanoli Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭
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Recently picked up a copper piece for my Type Set, what appeared to be a very nice raw coin from a very reputable dealer - a consignment coin, I was told.

Problem was, it didn't fit into the Type Set album slot, was larger in diameter than every other same series coin I tried, and scale showed weight was .07 grams higher.

The coin has been authenticated as genuine.

Wondering how common this might be, and if others have had similar situation?
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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    Similar, mine was too small and I had to cut a shim to keep it in the right place.
    Becky
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    llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    My son had the same problem with a Bust half dollar in his 7070. I think it's fairly common for the older coins to be off a little.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My son had the same problem with a Bust half dollar in his 7070. I think it's fairly common for the older coins to be off a little. >>



    What he says. The question is meaningless without giving the denomination and a date range.
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    blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When measured how far off is the diameter? Can it be the folder?
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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    The large cents vary in size by date; what's the date of the coin?
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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Obiwan's coin is a 1859 Indian cent. He sent it to me to authenticate and it is indeed a real coin and is slightly larger diameter. It is struck with a larger collar than normal, not made wider by some after-strike widening. I will post images later.
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Common problem with 1/2 cents and some large cents as well.

    bobimage

    Ooops, EagleEye makes my point moot.
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    DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    He said copper and I assumed large....image
    Becky
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Merely struck in a worn collar. In the second half of the 20th century, the Mint made cent collars with a hole 0.72 of an inch when new. Standard is 0.75 inch. When the hole wore out to 0.78 inch, they retired the collar, or drilled it out and used it for nickels.

    I don't know what the variance allowed was in 1859, but it was probably greater than in 1959. I used to use KoinTains a lot, and the copper-nickel cents were always a beach to fit properly.

    TD
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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here are the images.

    The comparison coin is a XF 1864 CN.

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    ObiwancanoliObiwancanoli Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for posting those, Rick... It would seem I'll have to carve a thin slice out of the Type album... and to answer Todd's question, it's an Intercept Shield album...

    It would also seem this variance isn't necessarily uncommon for the series - or any series of the time, for that matter. As some have indicated, this apparently isn't unique to IHC's...

    Thanks again Rick!!

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    ObiwancanoliObiwancanoli Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭
    I wonder...

    Would anyone's chin drop, if I took a Dremel to the album slot, and opened it up just a weeeeee bit?

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Might work too fast. Do you have a round or rattail file?
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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,150 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, but I would be very concerned if you took a dremel to the 1859 cent!
    As expected, Rick came up with a very good explanation.
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    rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭✭
    When a coin's weight and diameter are "off"...

    Perhaps its made in China?????image
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    ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting. Ive been seeing all sorts of weights and diameters with the feuchtwangers, up to 1 mm or more , nearly 10 grains weight. What puzzles me here this is a reeded piece.....
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    ObiwancanoliObiwancanoli Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Might work too fast. Do you have a round or rattail file? >>



    I do, but this is cardboard we're talkin' here... it would probably shred with the action. Something like a Dremel, tightly controlled, might do the trick. Otherwise, the only option I can see is cutting... such a task is out of my comfort zone...
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    ecichlidecichlid Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭
    Even better than a Dremel would be a Light Canoli. The numismatists weapon of choice.
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,658 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You also might try using a modern cent in the hole held 90 degrees from the normal coin position, and rotated to wear and stretch the hole a little, to prevent the dust that would be generated by cutting or sanding.

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    ObiwancanoliObiwancanoli Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Even better than a Dremel would be a Light Canoli. The numismatists weapon of choice. >>



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    ObiwancanoliObiwancanoli Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭
    Update:

    I worked the rim of the album slot on the obverse side, enough that though snug, the IHC offered only minor resistance. It now occupies a proud and exhalted place in my TS album. For now, anyway...

    I imagine at some point I will send it in for grading, but for now, I'm content.

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