Question re: possible 1821 overdate 10c...
DoubleEagle59
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Sorry for the blurry picture (takent through plastic flip) but there is a distinct overdate in the second "1" of the 1821 date.
It appears as a diagonal '1' under the second '1', protruding at the bottom right corner and top left hand corner.
Is this a JR variety or is it something else?
It appears as a diagonal '1' under the second '1', protruding at the bottom right corner and top left hand corner.
Is this a JR variety or is it something else?
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I'd be interested to hear what it is
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<< <i>Interesting, I don't know what that is, but it doesn't look like the proper geometry to be another 2.
I'd be interested to hear what it is >>
BTW we are talking the second "1" here. >>
Yes, I'm looking at that little line north-east of the bottom serif on the 1. It doesn't seem to have the right curve to it for it to be the bottom of the 2.
Edit, of course I jumped to the conclusion that it would be a 2, it could certainly be anything else, in which case, I retract my statement.
Here's a few more pics, taken without the plastic flip.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
<< <i>Can you post a full obverse and reverse shot for us? >>
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
Well there is nothing noted about the date in the dime book about the jr5
It may very well be an early die stage and all traces of this line or whatever it is was removed due to lapping and is not found on later examples. Or the authors of the dime book may have never see it.
Nice example btw!
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<< <i>With the better photos I am going to go out on the limb and say it is extremely possible it is a repunched "1". And the authors missed many things when they wrote the book because they didn't always have the finest examples from which to take a close look.
what grade is your eye appealing example? >>
I think it would be an au55/58.
I believe the 'wear' on the eagle's leg is due to a weak strike and not actual wear.
The obverse does has very light rub hairlines so I would assume it would not get approval at the TPG's.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
<< <i>I have to admit I was too lazy to look up the JR# although I remembered there was no mention of a repunched 1 for the year. Here is the interesting thing, I just bought an 1821 10c JR-5 yesterday, and just put it under a loupe and the same thing exists on mine. What I am thinking is all high grade examples have it because only in the high grades can you see it. The book has a photo of an au55 and maybe that is why they missed it. The strike on this variety is very weak, your could very well be an au58+, hard to say from the photos, but you have it in hand.
Congrads again on a great looking example! >>
Disregarding the 'overdate' issue, then is this coin a JR-5?
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
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<< <i>Yes, second '1', not the '2'.
Here's a few more pics, taken without the plastic flip.
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<< <i>I have to admit I was too lazy to look up the JR# although I remembered there was no mention of a repunched 1 for the year. Here is the interesting thing, I just bought an 1821 10c JR-5 yesterday, and just put it under a loupe and the same thing exists on mine. What I am thinking is all high grade examples have it because only in the high grades can you see it. The book has a photo of an au55 and maybe that is why they missed it. The strike on this variety is very weak, your could very well be an au58+, hard to say from the photos, but you have it in hand.
Congrads again on a great looking example! >>
Disregarding the 'overdate' issue, then is this coin a JR-5? >>
Sorry, I assumed it was from what I read, I cannot confirm it from your pics. My question to you is star 3 boldly repunched, if it is then it is a JR-5, if not then it isn't. The photos are too small and taken on an angle for me to tell anything conclusively. >>
Star 3 is VERY strongly repunched (doubling occurs at the bottom of the star, not the top).
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)