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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
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I hope Joe Biden doesn't read the report....he could find it a sleeper!!!
Are you safe and sound in the USA tonight???
edited to add: Who will be the first to question "woith gold."
Note: I have immunity from Laura's peeps!!
my favorite
www.brunkauctions.com
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>>> teh internet has created a blac whole >>
my favorite >>
It's a Bourne Identity kind of thing. It's code. Get with the program Greg
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
More snobbery. I still don't know why PCGS allows "certain dealers" to be promoted in the message boards, no matter how much they spend on banner ads.
<< <i>Today dealers are trying to buy all the Walkers and Morgans they can. ... The telemarketers flush with orders need these coins. We predict prices WILL rise at least 40% within the 30 days on silver generics in MS65 or better-unless the silver market suffers a catastrophic crash. ... >>
More evidence for my theory about telemarketers promoting the generic Morgans. This is becoming an epic "run of the widgets."
On generics:
We predict prices WILL rise at least 40% within the 30 days on silver generics in MS65 or better
But then a couple of paragraphs down:
We totally DISAGREE. No, not just because we deal in the better rarities and we want to sell rare coins, but because we see it as wild speculation and churning.
Or, in the past (many occurances) she just went to a big show and spent X million dollars, and in the next paragraph complain that there was nothing to buy.
Steve
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
I promise if you evah write anything original, I will link it. Scouts honor. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
<< <i>Has she EVER written a single market report that doesn't contradict itself? Either buy stuff now becuase it's too cheap, or beware..they may go down and won't be able to sell the coins at all. Which is it?
On generics:
We predict prices WILL rise at least 40% within the 30 days on silver generics in MS65 or better
But then a couple of paragraphs down:
We totally DISAGREE. No, not just because we deal in the better rarities and we want to sell rare coins, but because we see it as wild speculation and churning.
Or, in the past (many occurances) she just went to a big show and spent X million dollars, and in the next paragraph complain that there was nothing to buy. >>
Maybe it's her version of a Yogism. You know like, "No one goes to that restaurant any more. It's too crowded"
AB
<< <i>MJ - Frank won't do it. He's really just a wannabe, and hasn't got the goods to put up but is too envious of someone like Laura to chill out.
EVP >>
I am not envious of anyone. But I have supported my family for 20 years as a full time dealer. I work my ass off. And I don't have
any millionaire "partner" funding me. The posters of these Legend links have stated that they will be sure to post them weekly to
annoy people who consider them inappropriate advertising. Fine. But anything posted here is fair game for criticism. I have already been
told to shut up "for my own benefit" and "if I know what's good for me." or "I'll see to it that you will never be able to sell on ebay again"
So you tell ME who the jealous, petty, vindictive people are....
Jon
<< <i>The posters of these Legend links have stated that they will be sure to post them weekly to
annoy people who consider them inappropriate advertising. >>
If you think the threads are inappropriate advertising, you can refuse to read them. Or continue to bump them to the top by posting replies.
Just a thought...
Have a safe trip.
attempting to describe an elephant merely by touch. You can only
describe the particular area you deal in with a general opinion on the
overall market. As with stock brokers, there is always an available excuse
when their opinions turn out to have be incorrect.
Generally, take what value you can from any educated and informed opinion
and then make up your own mind, as to what constitutes reality.
Camelot
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<< <i>MJ - Frank won't do it. He's really just a wannabe, and hasn't got the goods to put up but is too envious of someone like Laura to chill out.
EVP >>
I am not envious of anyone. But I have supported my family for 20 years as a full time dealer. I work my ass off. And I don't have
any millionaire "partner" funding me. The posters of these Legend links have stated that they will be sure to post them weekly to
annoy people who consider them inappropriate advertising. Fine. But anything posted here is fair game for criticism. I have already been
told to shut up "for my own benefit" and "if I know what's good for me." or "I'll see to it that you will never be able to sell on ebay again"
So you tell ME who the jealous, petty, vindictive people are.... >>
While I do not understand why you use the words 'snobbery' in your post and disagree with you,......whoever quoted what you have in quotes, if true and if directed at you, was a very unprofessional and petty comment, imo.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
I thought the Market Report was excellent tonight. I view them like I do when i read the paper each day to see what is happening in the world around me.
<< <i>Frank, You think Laura does not work hard? Why are you so jealous of her? If nothing, you should admire what she has done and how she does fight for the good of the hobby. And accept the fact her millionaire partner is only a minority partner who she happened to have made a lot of money for and backs her projects when asked (I know Laura does not always need his backing).
I thought the Market Report was excellent tonight. I view them like I do when i read the paper each day to see what is happening in the world around me. >>
I liked this part as I am at the CICF now and I thought it was a great show.We greatly misjudged the size of the coin market vs the rest of the world!
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Again, any dealer with opinion sites, I think, should be paying PCGS if their opinion sites are linked or posted here. If they don't, I think PCGS should remove the links and, if repeated, ban the poster's who put the links up.
PCGS could make a new forum for dealers who pay to place their opinions.
There is a buy/sell/trade forum here for members who want to conduct business. At the very least, it seems to me, these kinds of posts belong there and not in the general forum,
<< <i>PCGS should charge for this marketing on the forums unless there is an arrangement.
I agree.
<< <i>You folks do realize Laura has jus purchased just as much advertising space on this site as the next guy right? >>
So what? She purchases that space. This is free, and IMHO, semi-obnoxious free advertising. Put it in the buy/sell/trade forum. Don't clutter the general forum up with a dealer's website opinions.
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<< <i>PCGS should charge for this marketing on the forums unless there is an arrangement.
I agree. >>
I like reading it on this forum. I see it as opinions and information, not marketing.
It makes for good discussion as long as it is respectful.
Opinions and information in this hobby should be free.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Yet we should listen to yours? Sweet. MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Don't clutter the general forum up with a dealer's website opinions. >>
If you don't post to threads, it helps keeping them from getting bumped up to the top where other people might respond to your comments, bumping the thread to the top some more.
<< <i>Don't clutter the general forum up with a dealer's website opinions. >>
So dont clutter the US coin forum with opinions from a dealer who mainly deals in US coins?
I dont mind these threads, when I dont feel like reading the report I dont open the thread. When I feel like reading them I open the thread. I have never been annoyed by anyone posting market reports from anyone.
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<< <i>You folks do realize Laura has jus purchased just as much advertising space on this site as the next guy right? >>
So what? She purchases that space. This is free, and IMHO, semi-obnoxious free advertising. Put it in the buy/sell/trade forum. Don't clutter the general forum up with a dealer's website opinions. >>
I could think of a lot of other things Id like to see disappear from the general forum. We look forward to reading these post by MJ. I am pretty sure most on this site know who Legend coins are and this is not boosting there sales in anyway.Thanks for your opinion!
When the bubble breaks, I expect a sharp drop in silver, and a bit of a dip in gold. Mind you, when it's done dropping, it may end up back where it is now, and it will probably start climbing again.
When the economy seems to improve, the panic will end, and prices will fall. Then, inflation will hit, and they'll be buying back the bullion again. So, if you're speculating and you get caught in the bubble pop, don't worry. It'll grow back.
<< <i>Steve, Frank has a thing for Legend (not Pinnacle, not DWN). Maybe if he was a bit more collegial toward Laura, she would throw him a bone now and again. >>
Well let's see. What if you had a long time retail customer come up to you at a major show, out of the blue ask "tell me Frank, who are these
coin doctors I need to avoid?"
"What you you mean?," I replied.
"Legend's market report. It says to ask your dealer to "out" the coin doctors. And if your dealer says they
don't know, it's time to find another dealer."
I told him I honestly didn't know any coin doctors, but that I had written Laura several times in support of her
crusade (never any reply, BTW) , and had a letter printed in Coin World opposing the PNG's head-in-the-sand attitude.
The guy acted like he didn't believe me, and acted funny toward me since.
The killer was, that when I looked up Laura's report, SHE was unwilling to name any doctors, because
she would get sued, but at the same time painted other dealers who wouldn't name names as deceptive
and by implication covering up for them.
I know Laura writes this stuff sort of stream-of-consciousness and doesn't seem to like spell checking and proofreading for
conflicts of logic. But that particular market report - deliberately or not - sets up others dealers in a "have you stopped
beating your wife" logical trap. If you KNOW coin doctors -- well, birds of a feather... If you DON'T KNOW coin doctors, you
are lying, covering up for them, or just so far out of the loop that no one should do business with you.
Back when I was a collector only, I learned the hard way to consider dealer special reports and bulletins basically as
promotions for whatever they need to get rid of and encourgaing people to sell what the dealer wants to stock up
on for their NEXT promotion. You literally could have done better by following the opposite of their advice (same for
stockbrokers and investment advisors' advice.) Lesson learned, do your own research.
It's just odd that our hosts have made it very clear that advertising is not permitted in the message boards, because
"we offer a wide selection of paid banner ad packages, " it's OK to violate the rules as long as it's a business partner,
alt, or "valued customer" (with an anonymous profile) making the posts.
Most of the Legend haters can't stand to see a woman at the top of the numismatic game. You go girl keep kicking all their a$$es numismatically.
Take all the bad spelling comments to the proper english forum out there in cyberspace boys no room for that on the PCGS US coin forums. Have some warm tea and crumpets, watch the cricket matches on the BBC, then put a sock in it.
Posting a market blog, to stimulate discussion in the coin forum community, is not the same as an advertisement. The haters know the difference.
<< <i>Most of the Legend haters can't stand to see a woman at the top of the numismatic game. You go girl keep kicking all their a$$es numismatically.
Take all the bad spelling comments to the proper english forum out there in cyberspace boys no room for that on the PCGS US coin forums. Have some warm tea and crumpets, watch the cricket matches on the BBC, then put a sock in it.
I greatly admire her and Charmy Harker, Helen Wallace (RIP), Ruth Bauer, Irma Kane, Christine Karstedt...I wish there were more women in numismatics. We object to people who gleefully post links to her webpages knowing that it causes chaos on the boards (even starting a prank "Legend Market Report" string just to annoy others.)
And to argue that the rules against advertising in the message boards don't apply to certain companies because they spend so much with PCGS is a DISSERVICE to a company promoted in that way. In the business world, anything that remotely suggests even the APPEARANCE of favoritism toward certain big customers would be halted by both sides.
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<< <i>Most of the Legend haters can't stand to see a woman at the top of the numismatic game. You go girl keep kicking all their a$$es numismatically.
Take all the bad spelling comments to the proper english forum out there in cyberspace boys no room for that on the PCGS US coin forums. Have some warm tea and crumpets, watch the cricket matches on the BBC, then put a sock in it.
I greatly admire her and Charmy Harker, Helen Wallace (RIP), Ruth Bauer, Irma Kane, Christine Karstedt...I wish there were more women in numismatics. We object to people who gleefully post links to her webpages knowing that it causes chaos on the boards (even starting a prank "Legend Market Report" string just to annoy others.)
And to argue that the rules against advertising in the message boards don't apply to certain companies because they spend so much with PCGS is a DISSERVICE to a company promoted in that way. In the business world, anything that remotely suggests even the APPEARANCE of favoritism toward certain big customers would be halted by both sides. >>
Dude, how is this post advertising?
<< <i>And to argue that the rules against advertising in the message boards don't apply to certain companies because they spend so much with PCGS is a DISSERVICE to a company promoted in that way. In the business world, anything that remotely suggests even the APPEARANCE of favoritism toward certain big customers would be halted by both sides. >>
What makes *this* thread more of an advertisement (and more worthy of criticism) than this one?
Don Willis weighed in on this very issue last week. I don't think Frank and tcmitter got the memo or maybe they just chose to ignore it,
I don't see Laura often but when I do she always asks me why I post these links knowing full well that I bring some heat to myself by doing so. I do it because I want to and because I think Laura brings a lot to the table. Oh and knowing it bothers Frank and a few others a well is just a bonus for me. FWIW- A lot of Franks and tcmitter's posts bother me. I've mentioned it before or have joked about it, but it's true. Fingernails meet chalkboard. However, never do I make a federal case over it and cry about rules that may or may not be enforced on a shared board. Tcmitter is already campaigning to get people thrown off of the site that aren't even violating rules. Just the rules in his head.
MJ
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
<< <i>Don Willis weighed in on this very issue last week. >>
I was pretty sure I remembered reading that. Besides, it''s not like these threads are getting snuck in here somehow- they all say "Legend Market Report" right in the title. I'd guess if the folks running the message board didn't like them, they could do something about it easy enough.
<< <i>What snobbery Frank? They treat me great-and I spend as little as $250.00 per coin. Time for you to get over their success. >>
The advertising style. Which does this fit in?
ADVERTISING TECHNIQUES
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SNOBBERY
The suggestion that the use of the product makes the customer part of an elite group. Not only can the masses not afford our product, we don't even want to acknowledge those people exist.
AVANTE GARDE
The suggestion that using this product puts the user ahead of the times e.g. a toy manufacturer encourages kids (or adults) to be the first on their block to have a new toy.
FACTS AND FIGURES
Statistics and objective factual information is used to prove the superiority of the product e.g. a car manufacturer quotes the amount of time it takes their car to get from 0 to 100 k.p.h.
WEASEL WORDS
“Weasel words" are used to suggest a positive meaning without actually really making any guarantee e.g. a scientist says that a diet product might help you to lose weight the way it helped him to lose weight.
MAGIC INGREDIENTS
The suggestion that some almost miraculous discovery makes the product exceptionally effective e.g. a pharmaceutical manufacturer describes a special coating that makes their pain reliever less irritating to the stomach than a competitor`s.
PATRIOTISM
The suggestion that purchasing this product shows your love of your country e.g. a company brags about its product being made in America and employing American workers.
DIVERSION
Diversion seems to tackle a problem or issue, but then throws in an emotional non-sequitor or distraction. e.g. a tobacco company talks about health and smoking, but then shows a cowboy smoking a rugged cigarette after a long day of hard work.
TRANSFER
Words and ideas with positive connotations are used to suggest that the positive qualities should be associated with the product and the user e.g. a textile manufacturer wanting people to wear their product to stay cool during the summer shows people wearing fashions made from their cloth at a sunny seaside setting where there is a cool breeze.
PLAIN FOLKS
The suggestion that the product is a good value for the money for ordinary people e.g. a cereal manufacturer shows an ordinary family sitting down to breakfast and enjoying their product.
BRIBERY
Bribery seems to give a desirable extra something. We humans tend to be greedy. e.g. Buy a burger; get free fries.
TESTIMONIAL
A famous personality is used to endorse the product e.g. a famous basketball player (Michael Jordan) recommends a particular brand of skates.
WIT AND HUMOR
Customers are attracted to products that divert the audience by giving viewers a reason to laugh or to be entertained by clever use of visuals or language.
SIMPLE SOLUTIONS
Avoid complexities, and attack many problems to one solutions. e.g. Buy this makeup and you will be attractive, popular, and happy.
CARD STACKING
The propaganda technique of Card-Stacking is so widespread that we may not always be aware of its presence in a commercial. Basically, Card-Stacking means stacking the cards in favor of the product; advertisers stress is positive qualities and ignore negative. For example, if a brand of snack food is loaded with sugar (and calories), the commercial may boast that the product is low in fat, which implies that it is also low in calories. Card-Stacking is such a prevalent rational propaganda technique that gives us only part of the picture.
GLITTERING GENERALITIES
The glittering generalities technique uses appealing words and images to sell the product. The message this commercial gives, through indirectly, is that if you buy the item, you will be using a wonderful product, and it will change your life. This cosmetic will make you look younger, this car will give you status, this magazine will make you a leader-all these commercials are using Glittering Generalities to enhance product appeal.
BANDWAGON
Bandwagon is a form of propaganda that exploits the desire of most people to join the crowd or be on the winning side, and avoid winding up the losing side. Few of us would want to wear nerdy cloths, smell differently from everyone else, or be unpopular.
I think Laura is good for numismatics. I have spoken with her at coin shows and I have never picked up any kind of snobbery whatsoever. I always look forward to Sundays to read her Market Report and look at her Newps. You go girl!
There are some brothers here that have a different mind set than I do and I simply choose not to open their threads. The brothers that dislike Legend might try that option and see if you don't feel better at the end of the day.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>When someone posts a dealer blog here, should those that disagree with that blog be able to express their disagreement here? Apparently, many here think not. >>
Sure. So long as the discussion is considerate and not mean spirited.
I posted a Pinnacle blog earlier, and there was some discussion on the use of mobile technology at coin shows that gave some ideas on how to use mine in that setting.
The problem with the haters is that they hate Legend, or specifically Laura Sperber. Or, at least, that is how I see it. How can I see it differently? They don't protest the blog contents, and they don't protest the threads about other dealer's blogs. They only protest the ones about Legend.
If you were objective, you'd defend MJ's right to post about any numismatically relevant topic, even if some small minority here prefer that MJ would not.
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com
<< <i>When someone posts a dealer blog here, should those that disagree with that blog be able to express their disagreement here? Apparently, many here think not. >>
There is a big difference between disagreeing and bashing. What the heck does the spelling or grammer matter? Haters be grabbing for straws.
Legend market report personally gives me a great a pulse of the market. Laura shoots straight. She has no secret adjendas and tells it like it is. A small player like me barely ever makes any mega coin shows. Legend's market report has helped me in the past and will continue to so in the future.