1979 O-pee-chee Wayne Gretzky PSA 10 Gem MInt
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PSA 10 Gem Mint Gretzky
This auction is under way and the current bid is $44,000.
This is going to be fun to watch!!
This auction is under way and the current bid is $44,000.
This is going to be fun to watch!!
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Jeff
<< <i>This should get nasty, anyone know the population on this in PSA? >>
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<< <i>This should get nasty, anyone know the population on this in PSA? >>
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They even say that in the description
I would love to see this do some huge numbers. We bounced it around on a thread when this was first amounced and I said 250k. Just a wild guess but I think some big time natural resources CEO from Canada will want it and with so much new found stock wealth in the past few years 250k is a drop in the buckett to some.
We shall see.
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I still figure this card to be in the $140K range PLUS the house vig putting it around $150-160K when the hammer drops...
There are plenty of people out there that can afford to spend $150,000 on a card like this. With a Pop 1 it only takes two whales and you have a price explosion.
This is a centerpiece item that is a total bragging rights item. Someone with a huge ego and a lot of cash to burn will pay a large sum for this.
Wow!
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Wow! >>
Huh ... it's actually 3 pixels O/C to the left ... and while those edges might be common for OPC, they kind of distract from the image and overall eye appeal.
Centering still fits the PSA 10 standard, but this appears to be a lower grade 10 ... guessing others will think the same and thus this won't reach the 250k that some have guessed. >>
My wow is actually meant to say: wow - that's a lot of money for the card!
<< <i>Huh ... it's actually 3 pixels O/C to the left ... and while those edges might be common for OPC, they kind of distract from the image and overall eye appeal.
Centering still fits the PSA 10 standard, but this appears to be a lower grade 10 ... guessing others will think the same and thus this won't reach the 250k that some have guessed. >>
I guess "we" won't be bidding on it, then...
When it comes to the OPC cut, there are some that swear by the "rougher the better" mentality, and this one has a very mild "rough cut" compared to most. Given the issues with the centering, registration and cut typically associated with this issue, that is a very nice looking Gretzky and is absent the very common fish eye on Wayne's right shoulder (the left shoulder in the image). It is every bit of what is necessary to justify it being in a PSA 10 holder...
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<< <i>Huh ... it's actually 3 pixels O/C to the left ... and while those edges might be common for OPC, they kind of distract from the image and overall eye appeal.
Centering still fits the PSA 10 standard, but this appears to be a lower grade 10 ... guessing others will think the same and thus this won't reach the 250k that some have guessed. >>
I guess "we" won't be bidding on it, then...
When it comes to the OPC cut, there are some that swear by the "rougher the better" mentality, and this one has a very mild "rough cut" compared to most. Given the issues with the centering, registration and cut typically associated with this issue, that is a very nice looking Gretzky and is absent the very common fish eye on Wayne's right shoulder (the left shoulder in the image). It is every bit of what is necessary to justify it being in a PSA 10 holder... >>
I agree with you otw -- but the one thing that's always bothered me about this card is the orange dot in the Oilers logo -- it is way off centered.
<< <i>When it comes to the OPC cut, there are some that swear by the "rougher the better" mentality, and this one has a very mild "rough cut" compared to most. Given the issues with the centering, registration and cut typically associated with this issue, that is a very nice looking Gretzky and is absent the very common fish eye on Wayne's right shoulder (the left shoulder in the image). It is every bit of what is necessary to justify it being in a PSA 10 holder... >>
I agree!
This is no doubt deserving of a PSA 10. The rough cut is likely preferred as a smooth cut one would be questionable. The centering is also fine for a PSA 10....47-53 is good enough for me.
I've never seen the PSA 10 in person, but I've seen some very very nice 9s deserving a 10 when compared to "the" 10.
And, I'm not saying I disagree with the 10...but again, that orange dot (alone) should be enough to knock it down to a 9.
And then every time you show off your "centerpiece" to your pals, you find yourself explaining "no no, serious card collectors don't care about the edges on OPC, thats the way they are supposed to be"......LOL What a joke..
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what orange dot in the Oilers Logo ??
<< <i>I agree with you otw -- but the one thing that's always bothered me about this card is the orange dot in the Oilers logo -- it is way off centered.
what orange dot in the Oilers Logo ??
should look like this:
<< <i>The right edge is totally hideous. Just because its an OPC rather than Topps doesn't change the fact that the entire right edge of the card looks chipped. No way I'd ever justify paying big $ with a card with such an obvious flaw.
And then every time you show off your "centerpiece" to your pals, you find yourself explaining "no no, serious card collectors don't care about the edges on OPC, thats the way they are supposed to be"......LOL What a joke.. >>
A flaw? You've been looking at too many BGS OPC cards, then.
If you, or anyone else is worried about showing off their centerpiece and has to "explain" about the OPC cut, then you don't have to worry. The person that you'll be explaining it to wouldn't know the difference between Wayne Gretzky and Wayne Newton and probably thinks you the fool for spending ANYTHING on a piece of cardboard.
The rough cut edge is part of the "charm" of the OPC brand IMO.
And as was stated - validates the card.
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The rough cut edge is part of the "charm" of the OPC brand IMO.
And as was stated - validates the card. >>
Agree with the first part.
Disagree with the second. The rough cut does not validate a card, as the rough cut has been reinvented on many older opc sheets
that were recently cut.
If you run some hedge fund and make 47 million a year the difference between $80,000 and $250,000 is really not much.
This is an ego card and is not going to a set collector and is being sold as an investment piece.
If no other Gretzky's show up in the next 10 years this baby is worth so much more. That is the bet they are making. In the mean time you own the most valuable Hockey card ever.
I am looking for a jaw dropping number still becuase there are a lot of new wealthy people in Canada and they are looking for hard assets. Sports cards are just one of many hard assets related to the major sports.
<< <i>The right edge is totally hideous. Just because its an OPC rather than Topps doesn't change the fact that the entire right edge of the card looks chipped. No way I'd ever justify paying big $ with a card with such an obvious flaw.
And then every time you show off your "centerpiece" to your pals, you find yourself explaining "no no, serious card collectors don't care about the edges on OPC, thats the way they are supposed to be"......LOL What a joke.. >>
lmao
<< <i>This is a masterpiece. That is all the matters.
If you run some hedge fund and make 47 million a year the difference between $80,000 and $250,000 is really not much.
This is an ego card and is not going to a set collector and is being sold as an investment piece.
If no other Gretzky's show up in the next 10 years this baby is worth so much more. That is the bet they are making. In the mean time you own the most valuable Hockey card ever.
I am looking for a jaw dropping number still becuase there are a lot of new wealthy people in Canada and they are looking for hard assets. Sports cards are just one of many hard assets related to the major sports. >>
So far you're right -- the card makes money on each sale -- but there are sooo many 9's deserving a 10 on this card the only thing that makes it a masterpiece is the flip.
Gretzky rookie collectors are finiky -- If you took this card and all of the 9's, cracked them, and purchased raw I bet this "10" would be near the bottom of the pile.
Personally my preference for this card is front/back centering (border AND orange drop in Oilers logo) and first issue (blue line on back...which has the best bet of having zero rough cut).
Oh well...everyone has their own collecting interests...nothing wrong with that.
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The rough cut edge is part of the "charm" of the OPC brand IMO.
And as was stated - validates the card. >>
Agree with the first part.
Disagree with the second. The rough cut does not validate a card, as the rough cut has been reinvented on many older opc sheets
that were recently cut. >>
I was speaking in terms of a rough cut that has been graded by a TPG.
Have you got a reference - article or web report on the faking of rough cuts - would like to have it for my file.
Thanx
<< <i>In my view a rough cut should not get a 10...perhaps a 9 and a "RC" qualifier would make sense to me. Technically a rough cut is a factory flaw, whether or not anyone wants to admit it. The card manufacturer did not intend to produce a card with a rough cut...that makes it a flaw worthy of a qualifier in my opinion.
Oh well...everyone has their own collecting interests...nothing wrong with that.
I see what you mean -- there are plenty of '79 OPC hockey cards without the rough cut -- but most are first print runs, which have the blue line on the back. Either way, there's a flaw on the card -- it's just which flaw do you prefer?
This "10" has a relatively small amount of rough cut and does not have the blue lines on the back and is about as good as you're going to get.
But, once again, that dang orange drop in the Oilers logo should be centered properly! Suuuuch an eyesore!
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The rough cut edge is part of the "charm" of the OPC brand IMO.
And as was stated - validates the card. >>
Agree with the first part.
Disagree with the second. The rough cut does not validate a card, as the rough cut has been reinvented on many older opc sheets
that were recently cut. >>
I was speaking in terms of a rough cut that has been graded by a TPG.
Have you got a reference - article or web report on the faking of rough cuts - would like to have it for my file.
Thanx >>
I have faked rough cuts (just saying). Easy to do with sandpaper.
The bottom line is these cards have them and it is assumed in the grading.
There are nearly 2500 of these graded less then 50 in Mint and only one 10.
If you want the 10 this is what you get.
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<< <i>In my view a rough cut should not get a 10...perhaps a 9 and a "RC" qualifier would make sense to me. Technically a rough cut is a factory flaw, whether or not anyone wants to admit it. The card manufacturer did not intend to produce a card with a rough cut...that makes it a flaw worthy of a qualifier in my opinion.
Oh well...everyone has their own collecting interests...nothing wrong with that.
I see what you mean -- there are plenty of '79 OPC hockey cards without the rough cut -- but most are first print runs, which have the blue line on the back. Either way, there's a flaw on the card -- it's just which flaw do you prefer?
This "10" has a relatively small amount of rough cut and does not have the blue lines on the back and is about as good as you're going to get.
But, once again, that dang orange drop in the Oilers logo should be centered properly! Suuuuch an eyesore! >>
The bottom line is just because a certain card is the best card out there, doesn't mean it should receive a 10. If none are worthy of a 10 grade, then none should receive a 10 grade.
Oh well...just my 2 cents, and it probably isn't even worth that. LOL
<< <i>I will admit I have a real hard time with the rough cut. When I busted my 1985 Topps Tiffany set and got rough cuts I was so upset. Then I realized it was a non event but for a normal card collectors it is tough to get past.
The bottom line is these cards have them and it is assumed in the grading.
There are nearly 2500 of these graded less then 50 in Mint and only one 10.
If you want the 10 this is what you get. >>
Correction: if you want the one flip that says 10 this is what you get.
I've seen many 9s in person that look better.
Doesn't the "10" have stains on the back?
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<< <i>In my view a rough cut should not get a 10...perhaps a 9 and a "RC" qualifier would make sense to me. Technically a rough cut is a factory flaw, whether or not anyone wants to admit it. The card manufacturer did not intend to produce a card with a rough cut...that makes it a flaw worthy of a qualifier in my opinion.
Oh well...everyone has their own collecting interests...nothing wrong with that.
I see what you mean -- there are plenty of '79 OPC hockey cards without the rough cut -- but most are first print runs, which have the blue line on the back. Either way, there's a flaw on the card -- it's just which flaw do you prefer?
This "10" has a relatively small amount of rough cut and does not have the blue lines on the back and is about as good as you're going to get.
But, once again, that dang orange drop in the Oilers logo should be centered properly! Suuuuch an eyesore! >>
The bottom line is just because a certain card is the best card out there, doesn't mean it should receive a 10. If none are worthy of a 10 grade, then none should receive a 10 grade.
Oh well...just my 2 cents, and it probably isn't even worth that. LOL >>
Hey, I agree with you -- but if this is PSA's vision of a 10 then there are plenty of 9s deserving the same grade.
What ever the case this is the only one in a 10 holder. People can say buy the card and not the holder all they want but this is your only choice.
Means big money!!!
<< <i>I have faked rough cuts (just saying). Easy to do with sandpaper. >>
Perhaps on the counterfeit/reprints? Hmmmmm!
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<< <i>I have faked rough cuts (just saying). Easy to do with sandpaper. >>
Perhaps on the counterfeit/reprints? Hmmmmm!
lol
I was curious to see if it could be done and did it to a few trash sheet cut suspects that I thought would crossover to PSA...sure enough, they looked great.
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<< <i>I have faked rough cuts (just saying). Easy to do with sandpaper. >>
Perhaps on the counterfeit/reprints? Hmmmmm!
lol
I was curious to see if it could be done and did it to a few trash sheet cut suspects that I thought would crossover to PSA...sure enough, they looked great. >>
Looked great in the holder?
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1972 Football-9's high#'s
1965 Football-8's
1958 Topps FB-7-8
1. What did the card in question do?
A) Grade PSA 10
C) Get really lucky
D) Get there first
E) all of the above
I think we can all agree A,B,&D and for the most part C
There seems to be some debate about B
My friend once said "Life isn't about having no problems. It's about having the problems you want."
<< <i>In my view a rough cut should not get a 10...perhaps a 9 and a "RC" qualifier would make sense to me. Technically a rough cut is a factory flaw, whether or not anyone wants to admit it. The card manufacturer did not intend to produce a card with a rough cut...that makes it a flaw worthy of a qualifier in my opinion.
Oh well...everyone has their own collecting interests...nothing wrong with that.
Thank you Stevek. Finally some one else is willing to admit the obvious. Rough cut is not charming, its a flaw...
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The rough cut edge is part of the "charm" of the OPC brand IMO.
And as was stated - validates the card. >>
Agree with the first part.
Disagree with the second. The rough cut does not validate a card, as the rough cut has been reinvented on many older opc sheets
that were recently cut. >>
I was speaking in terms of a rough cut that has been graded by a TPG.
Have you got a reference - article or web report on the faking of rough cuts - would like to have it for my file.
Thanx >>
Nope, but I know both parties who bought the o-pee-chee sheets in both Mastro auctions.
One guy was from Ontario and the other group was from northern Washington and Vancouver, BC. The western group was
able to cut their cards with a rough cut, and many found their way into PSA holders. The Ontario gentleman had a tough time
with it, and many of his sheet cut cards found their way into BGS holders.
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<< <i>In my view a rough cut should not get a 10...perhaps a 9 and a "RC" qualifier would make sense to me. Technically a rough cut is a factory flaw, whether or not anyone wants to admit it. The card manufacturer did not intend to produce a card with a rough cut...that makes it a flaw worthy of a qualifier in my opinion.
Oh well...everyone has their own collecting interests...nothing wrong with that.
Thank you Stevek. Finally some one else is willing to admit the obvious. Rough cut is not charming, its a flaw... >>
Are rough cuts flaws? Absolutely. But that's what makes the Gretzky rookie so charming. There can't be a perfect one -- even the PSA 10. That's the main reason I love, love, love this card.