"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
<< <i>Though not as well known as some of the other coins mentioned in this thread, if the grandchild has shown any interest at all in Lincoln Cents, grandfather could consider making an offer on a PCGS 1917 MS67RD DDO Lincoln Cent. There are only two of them graded. >>
I would think that buying an anomaly such as this would be a big risk since if 1 more coin shows up then suddenly the value drops considerably.
Additionally I would think that there are far fewer buyers of this cent than the other items listed.
Without even looking at your choices------These would have been mine. MJ
1. Pan Pac Octagonal Slug in MS64. 2. MS65 or 66 High Relief
maybe a 36 Gobrecht dollar.
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From your list, the High Relief Saint, but I would try to talk him into buying original MS 64 bust coins: quarter, dime, half dime, and half....that would be an historically interesting small set of coins and by then 64's should be 66's at least
I like the Octagonal Pan Pac for this purpose. It's large size and unique shape (among US coins) make it stand out, even for those less interested in the nuances of coin collecting. It's something someone could appreciate, want to hold on to and show off from an heirloom perspective even if one wasn't all that into coin collecting.
Make it something the grandson can relate to. If it's "out there"...he's never heard of it, doesn't understand it, can't appreciate its importance, he'll likely sell it or tuck it away in a vault. I am guessing grandpa would like it to stimulate some interest in coins or he would have chosen a different vehicle.
1907 High relief Saint or a $10 wire-edge Indian would be good, MS65-66. Or an 1893-S Morgan, AU/MS. 1916 SLQ in MS66. Lance.
<<He told me recently that he would like to buy a "special" and "well known" coin in the $50,000 to $100,000 range to someday give to his grandson. After I asked him to adopt me as a grandson (which he politely refused to do ), he asked me for suggestions.>>
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<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
I should have said iconic among coin collectors. For me, it is one of a handful of coins that represent the absolute pinnacle of United States coinage and design.
<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
But when they do find out something like this was issued, their jaw will likely drop.
To a non-collector, it's likely more impressive than a variety or condition rarity. >>
If the recipient of this magnificent coin has any possibility of ever becoming a collector - this will push him over the edge.
In five thousand years people will look at the surviving examples of this coin in museums and be struck with awe. They will know that once upon a time, giants walked the earth.
You pretty much nailed right off the bat the ones I'd pick: the Pan-Pacific slug, the 1907 high relief, a gently used Stella, or an early $10. Those would be among my first choices given the same budget.
I'd also bid on a New England "XII" Schilling, if one is available. They are so rare that they only come up for auction about once every three years or so. It doesn't look like much, but it's got the appeal of added history.
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I like the ideas of the Pan Pac....and even TDN's idea of a gem Peace Dollar set.
If a single coin, I'd try to shoot for something that was also the recognized finest known of the type/date/mint or a worthy competitor to the #1 slot.
Ugh - no, no, no !!! to the 1895 Morgan. That's a coin destined to underperform the market. Why not buy ANY other proof date or even an MS68 for a fraction of the price.
<< <i>I like the Octagonal Pan Pac for this purpose. It's large size and unique shape (among US coins) make it stand out, even for those less interested in the nuances of coin collecting. It's something someone could appreciate, want to hold on to and show off from an heirloom perspective even if one wasn't all that into coin collecting.
Good luck! This is a fun project!
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True. Size matters!
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Hopefully the grandkid will have deep pockets, o/w this will be a dead end exercise with regards to stimulating interest in numismatics.
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
But when they do find out something like this was issued, their jaw will likely drop.
To a non-collector, it's likely more impressive than a variety or condition rarity. >>
If the recipient of this magnificent coin has any possibility of ever becoming a collector - this will push him over the edge.
In five thousand years people will look at the surviving examples of this coin in museums and be struck with awe. They will know that once upon a time, giants walked the earth. >>
Hmmm, to be perfectly honest, $50 Pan Pacs leave me cold.
1. $50 PanPac Octagonal in MS 64 (additional idea is to include with it an original 1915 purple case for the $50 octagonal from the Pan Pac Exposition) 2. 1907 High Relief Saint in MS 66 3. 1795 $1 in MS 62
<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
But when they do find out something like this was issued, their jaw will likely drop.
To a non-collector, it's likely more impressive than a variety or condition rarity. >>
If the recipient of this magnificent coin has any possibility of ever becoming a collector - this will push him over the edge.
In five thousand years people will look at the surviving examples of this coin in museums and be struck with awe. They will know that once upon a time, giants walked the earth. >>
Hmmm, to be perfectly honest, $50 Pan Pacs leave me cold. >>
About matters of taste there can be no dispute. To each his own.
One of the regular dealer members here recently offered a Continental Currency Dollar in MS-63. That is right up your alley, as far as knowing what to pay to acquire it for your customer. You need me to help put the deal together?
<< <i>An MS64 1870-CC Dollar would be great, if you could locate one. >>
Outside the stated price range. An example with a CAC sticker would easily fetch $125k >>
Regardless of price, that date/MM does nothing for me. A mid-AU 73-CC would be better imho. (Although that too, depending on quality, could fall outside the price range ).
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<< <i>One of the regular dealer members here recently offered a Continental Currency Dollar in MS-63. That is right up your alley, as far as knowing what to pay to acquire it for your customer. You need me to help put the deal together? >>
That would be a nice choice, for a decent coin. Very historical, and in 15 years it will be 250 years old.
Can't believe that "The Bicentennial!" was 35 years ago!!!!!!!!!
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Wow – thanks for all the excellent ideas, folks! I’ve only started maybe 3 threads on these boards since I joined, and the other 2 fizzled quickly. So THIS is what it feels like to be the popular kid in school. Cool!
Some of those ideas did not fit into my customer’s parameters or with his personal biases (for example, he really isn’t a colonial coin fan – his loss, of course!), but there were many coins that were “obvious” choices to me only after I read them in this thread.
Here is the short list (so far) of the ideas I will present to him (not in any particular order):
1.Pan Pac Octagonal Slug in MS64. (Great idea, Kove, to pair it with an original box. I love those boxes, and they typically fetch only about $1k when found) 2. MS65 or 66 High Relief 3. MS63 Early $10. 4. PF65 $20 Lib. 5. Mint State Wreath Cent. 6. Really nice Gobrecht dollar (though we handled nice specimens of both the 1836 and 1839 Gobrechts recently, and he didn’t comment on either. So – maybe they don’t float his boat. Or – maybe they just didn’t register with him when we had them). 7. A choice Unc 1796 Quarter. 8. 1848 CAL $2.50 in AU or Unc. 9. 1895 $1 in Gem Proof, preferably cameo. (A great “obvious” choice that I hadn’t thought of. Thanks Stone & others). 10. A 1793 Half Cent in unc or unc-ish. Another “obvious” choice that I didn’t think of.
In the “maybe” category:
1. Chain Cent in XF-AU 2. Unc. 1929 $5 Indian – tough and popular, but not “well known” by novice numismatists. 3. 1792 Half Disme in XF or so. Wicked cool, but small and not unc. 4. A US Assay Office or Hubert Slug in Unc – tough to find REAL uncs though, as opposed to “AU-62’s”. 5. A nice Unc. Early Dollar. Toning is often a matter of taste, though, with so few true unc.s available. 6. 1795 Flowing Hair Dollar in AU-low unc. Same comment 7. 1796-1798 Small Eagle Dollar – Unc-ish. Same comment. 8. 1795 Small Eagle $10 in AU. Really cool; not unc. 9. 1796 No Stars 2.50 in XF-AU. Good thought –but really tough to find. We haven’t handled one in over 2 years, and we are always looking for them. 10. 1855 Wass Molitor Round $50 slug in AU. 11. 1916 SLQ in 66 FH – love the idea, but (in my lowly opinion) doesn’t look all that much different than a 64 FH costing much less. Personal bias – I know!
For some of the others – I’m hesitant to recommend full red copper, for example, as I cannot control how it will be stored, and for how long. I’m fine with R&B copper and Brown copper though.
And thanks to the folks who have PM’d me offering some of these very same coins. It is appreciated.
I really liked this idea too in the “thinking outside of the box” category (courtesy of Tradedollarnut): “how about something like a complete Peace Dollar set in gem, but missing ONE coin. Let the grandson have the pleasure of going out and finding that last coin for the set.” I think that is brilliant; I will run it by our customer.
Joebb21’s comments are appropriate too, for this project anyway:
“Gold always has more shine then silver bigger is cooler high grade is more appealing than lower I think a unique design has a real cool factor as well”
Classic Head QE or HE, D or C in the highest grade, just got Winters book on Dahlonega Gold and the estimated populations, even total are well, that is why I want them. Finding them over MS-62 can be tough, but the pay off I think is there.
<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
But when they do find out something like this was issued, their jaw will likely drop.
To a non-collector, it's likely more impressive than a variety or condition rarity. >>
If the recipient of this magnificent coin has any possibility of ever becoming a collector - this will push him over the edge.
In five thousand years people will look at the surviving examples of this coin in museums and be struck with awe. They will know that once upon a time, giants walked the earth. >>
Hmmm, to be perfectly honest, $50 Pan Pacs leave me cold. >>
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<< <i>I like a 1795 $5 in AU-55/58. >>
Add me to that.
<< <i>Though not as well known as some of the other coins mentioned in this thread, if the grandchild has shown any interest at all in Lincoln Cents, grandfather could consider making an offer on a PCGS 1917 MS67RD DDO Lincoln Cent. There are only two of them graded. >>
I would think that buying an anomaly such as this would be a big risk since if 1 more coin shows up then suddenly the value drops considerably.
Additionally I would think that there are far fewer buyers of this cent than the other items listed.
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This is what I would suggest, Nothing better or more classic than this in my oppinion. >>
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1. Pan Pac Octagonal Slug in MS64.
2. MS65 or 66 High Relief
maybe a 36 Gobrecht dollar.
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I knew it would happen.
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Good luck! This is a fun project!
even though you asked about "a" coin
and that my be wiser
and more interesting such as
1909svdb, 1955 DDO, 1877 cent, 1895 Morgan. 1916d 10c
1907 High relief Saint or a $10 wire-edge Indian would be good, MS65-66. Or an 1893-S Morgan, AU/MS. 1916 SLQ in MS66.
Lance.
<<He told me recently that he would like to buy a "special" and "well known" coin in the $50,000 to $100,000 range to someday give to his grandson. After I asked him to adopt me as a grandson (which he politely refused to do
<< <i>1895 Proof Morgan. A nice Cam/DCam in 65 would be lovely! >>
I'm with Stone on this one. What's more collectable than a Morgan Dollar?
Perhaps a sweet DMPL 1889-cc dollar would do? MS63/4 is in the range.
bob
<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this.
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<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
But when they do find out something like this was issued, their jaw will likely drop.
To a non-collector, it's likely more impressive than a variety or condition rarity.
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<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
I should have said iconic among coin collectors. For me, it is one of a handful of coins that represent the absolute pinnacle of United States coinage and design.
Can you tell I want one?
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<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
But when they do find out something like this was issued, their jaw will likely drop.
To a non-collector, it's likely more impressive than a variety or condition rarity. >>
If the recipient of this magnificent coin has any possibility of ever becoming a collector - this will push him over the edge.
In five thousand years people will look at the surviving examples of this coin in museums and be struck with awe. They will know that once upon a time, giants walked the earth.
I'd also bid on a New England "XII" Schilling, if one is available. They are so rare that they only come up for auction about once every three years or so. It doesn't look like much, but it's got the appeal of added history.
If a single coin, I'd try to shoot for something that was also the recognized finest known of the type/date/mint or a worthy competitor to the #1 slot.
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<< <i>I like the Octagonal Pan Pac for this purpose. It's large size and unique shape (among US coins) make it stand out, even for those less interested in the nuances of coin collecting. It's something someone could appreciate, want to hold on to and show off from an heirloom perspective even if one wasn't all that into coin collecting.
Good luck! This is a fun project!
True. Size matters!
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<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
But when they do find out something like this was issued, their jaw will likely drop.
To a non-collector, it's likely more impressive than a variety or condition rarity. >>
If the recipient of this magnificent coin has any possibility of ever becoming a collector - this will push him over the edge.
In five thousand years people will look at the surviving examples of this coin in museums and be struck with awe. They will know that once upon a time, giants walked the earth. >>
Hmmm, to be perfectly honest, $50 Pan Pacs leave me cold.
<< <i>An MS64 1870-CC Dollar would be great, if you could locate one. >>
Outside the stated price range. An example with a CAC sticker would easily fetch $125k
1. $50 PanPac Octagonal in MS 64 (additional idea is to include with it an original 1915 purple case for the $50 octagonal from the Pan Pac Exposition)
2. 1907 High Relief Saint in MS 66
3. 1795 $1 in MS 62
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<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
But when they do find out something like this was issued, their jaw will likely drop.
To a non-collector, it's likely more impressive than a variety or condition rarity. >>
If the recipient of this magnificent coin has any possibility of ever becoming a collector - this will push him over the edge.
In five thousand years people will look at the surviving examples of this coin in museums and be struck with awe. They will know that once upon a time, giants walked the earth. >>
Hmmm, to be perfectly honest, $50 Pan Pacs leave me cold. >>
About matters of taste there can be no dispute. To each his own.
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Outside the stated price range. An example with a CAC sticker would easily fetch $125k >>
Regardless of price, that date/MM does nothing for me. A mid-AU 73-CC would be better imho. (Although that too, depending on quality, could fall outside the price range
I'd go with a 1793 Chain Cent or a 1792 Half Disme, or like mentioned a very high grade example of a 1955 Double Die Cent.
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<< <i>One of the regular dealer members here recently offered a Continental Currency Dollar in MS-63. That is right up your alley, as far as knowing what to pay to acquire it for your customer. You need me to help put the deal together? >>
That would be a nice choice, for a decent coin. Very historical, and in 15 years it will be 250 years old.
Can't believe that "The Bicentennial!" was 35 years ago!!!!!!!!!
TD
HR $20 in MS66 most "well-known/recognizable "outside" the hobby. Pan-Pac Oct a nice idea but the market is much thinner.
I'd actually suggest a 1916 SLQ MS66FH. Overall absolute rarity, gorgeous design, true collector interest, larger than 10c.
Some of those ideas did not fit into my customer’s parameters or with his personal biases (for example, he really isn’t a colonial coin fan – his loss, of course!), but there were many coins that were “obvious” choices to me only after I read them in this thread.
Here is the short list (so far) of the ideas I will present to him (not in any particular order):
1.Pan Pac Octagonal Slug in MS64. (Great idea, Kove, to pair it with an original box. I love those boxes, and they typically fetch only about $1k when found)
2. MS65 or 66 High Relief
3. MS63 Early $10.
4. PF65 $20 Lib.
5. Mint State Wreath Cent.
6. Really nice Gobrecht dollar (though we handled nice specimens of both the 1836 and 1839 Gobrechts recently, and he didn’t comment on either. So – maybe they don’t float his boat. Or – maybe they just didn’t register with him when we had them).
7. A choice Unc 1796 Quarter.
8. 1848 CAL $2.50 in AU or Unc.
9. 1895 $1 in Gem Proof, preferably cameo. (A great “obvious” choice that I hadn’t thought of. Thanks Stone & others).
10. A 1793 Half Cent in unc or unc-ish. Another “obvious” choice that I didn’t think of.
In the “maybe” category:
1. Chain Cent in XF-AU
2. Unc. 1929 $5 Indian – tough and popular, but not “well known” by novice numismatists.
3. 1792 Half Disme in XF or so. Wicked cool, but small and not unc.
4. A US Assay Office or Hubert Slug in Unc – tough to find REAL uncs though, as opposed to “AU-62’s”.
5. A nice Unc. Early Dollar. Toning is often a matter of taste, though, with so few true unc.s available.
6. 1795 Flowing Hair Dollar in AU-low unc. Same comment
7. 1796-1798 Small Eagle Dollar – Unc-ish. Same comment.
8. 1795 Small Eagle $10 in AU. Really cool; not unc.
9. 1796 No Stars 2.50 in XF-AU. Good thought –but really tough to find. We haven’t handled one in over 2 years, and we are always looking for them.
10. 1855 Wass Molitor Round $50 slug in AU.
11. 1916 SLQ in 66 FH – love the idea, but (in my lowly opinion) doesn’t look all that much different than a 64 FH costing much less. Personal bias – I know!
For some of the others – I’m hesitant to recommend full red copper, for example, as I cannot control how it will be stored, and for how long. I’m fine with R&B copper and Brown copper though.
And thanks to the folks who have PM’d me offering some of these very same coins. It is appreciated.
I really liked this idea too in the “thinking outside of the box” category (courtesy of Tradedollarnut): “how about something like a complete Peace Dollar set in gem, but missing ONE coin. Let the grandson have the pleasure of going out and finding that last coin for the set.” I think that is brilliant; I will run it by our customer.
Joebb21’s comments are appropriate too, for this project anyway:
“Gold always has more shine then silver
bigger is cooler
high grade is more appealing than lower
I think a unique design has a real cool factor as well”
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slug?
slug!
What have you got against the Pan Pac??!?!?!?!
I wonder if he also wants that to translate to "wide marketability??"
Sounds like the guy has a lucky grandson.
<< <i>Can't believe that "The Bicentennial!" was 35 years ago!!!!!!!!!
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So you're saying it's finally time to strip the Bicentennial wallpaper off your dining room?
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<< <i>Pan Pac hexagonal without a doubt. Iconic and there has never been anything else like it. >>
What's iconic about it? Most non-collectors in this country don't even know the US ever minted ANY gold coins, much less something like this. >>
But when they do find out something like this was issued, their jaw will likely drop.
To a non-collector, it's likely more impressive than a variety or condition rarity. >>
If the recipient of this magnificent coin has any possibility of ever becoming a collector - this will push him over the edge.
In five thousand years people will look at the surviving examples of this coin in museums and be struck with awe. They will know that once upon a time, giants walked the earth. >>
Hmmm, to be perfectly honest, $50 Pan Pacs leave me cold. >>
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