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Engelhard 7 ozer, Tee135 deal.

I just completed this deal with Tee135 for the below Engelhard 7oz bar. I figured with all the hype and bad deals regarding Tee135 here lately I would post my experience. Everything went fine with no problems. Just my experience with one transaction. Not protecting him, I am not associated with him in anyway, just my experience.

I have been after this Engelhard for about a year or so now, and I am very happy to finally have one for my collection!

Moving forward if we do do business together I would require him to ship me the items on approval first then send him the payment.



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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Congrat's! I was hoping to add that to my stack of one 7ozer but it starting getting a little complicated and it eventually went nowhere. I didn.t presue to hard wth Alain,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,somethng was up and I let it be,,,,,,,,,,,,,MJ
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tee135---You showed me this very same bar a few weeks ago. When I asked to buy it, you promissed to give me first shot when you decided to sell. I asked you again about this same bar yesterday and you quoted me a price of $465 which I agreed to. Last night you backed out because you claimed that your son wanted it because he wanted to start a silver bar collection. Why did you lie to me? You have proven yourself to be untrustworthy and I will not be buying from you ever again.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • anyone else tired of seeing post like these, and the guys still allowed on this forum????
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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭
    image - I thought this would be a positive for Tee135> Guess notimage
  • DorkGirlDorkGirl Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭
    image
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  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    +1
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,200 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>anyone else tired of seeing post like these, and the guys still allowed on this forum???? >>



    It doesn't bother me so much that he is on the forum, but I think it mighty foolhardy for someone who has any hint of what has happened to actually go into a deal with this member. It's just nuts.
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  • BBQnBLUESBBQnBLUES Posts: 1,803
    -1
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Tee135---You showed me this very same bar a few weeks ago. When I asked to buy it, you promissed to give me first shot when you decided to sell. I asked you again about this same bar yesterday and you quoted me a price of $465 which I agreed to. Last night you backed out because you claimed that your son wanted it because he wanted to start a silver bar collection. Why did you lie to me? You have proven yourself to be untrustworthy and I will not be buying from you ever again. >>



    Well, for every happy buyer like bstat1020 there always seems to be someone else left in the wake. Either that, or bstat1010 is Alain's son. image

    So if Tee135 "adopts" bstat1020 will that make everything good again?


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  • secondrepublicsecondrepublic Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭


    << <i> Either that, or bstat1010 is Alain's son. image >>



    Funny - I laughed out loud reading that.
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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Tee135---You showed me this very same bar a few weeks ago. When I asked to buy it, you promissed to give me first shot when you decided to sell. I asked you again about this same bar yesterday and you quoted me a price of $465 which I agreed to. Last night you backed out because you claimed that your son wanted it because he wanted to start a silver bar collection. Why did you lie to me? You have proven yourself to be untrustworthy and I will not be buying from you ever again. >>



    Well, for every happy buyer like bstat1020 there always seems to be someone else left in the wake. Either that, or bstat1010 is Alain's son. image

    So if Tee135 "adopts" bstat1020 will that make everything good again?


    roadrunner >>




    ROFL!!!
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perry, what's your favorite charity? image

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Perry Hall, you may just be the lucky one that got away.
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  • fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Tee135---You showed me this very same bar a few weeks ago. When I asked to buy it, you promissed to give me first shot when you decided to sell. I asked you again about this same bar yesterday and you quoted me a price of $465 which I agreed to. Last night you backed out because you claimed that your son wanted it because he wanted to start a silver bar collection. Why did you lie to me? You have proven yourself to be untrustworthy and I will not be buying from you ever again. >>

    Hear we go again. Sorry to hear it Perry, but thanks for posting this information. Even the "so called" good Tee135 stories end up with someone being treated wrong.
  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    If +1 means this acronyms used on CU
    what does -1 mean? lol
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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Tee135---You showed me this very same bar a few weeks ago. When I asked to buy it, you promissed to give me first shot when you decided to sell. I asked you again about this same bar yesterday and you quoted me a price of $465 which I agreed to. Last night you backed out because you claimed that your son wanted it because he wanted to start a silver bar collection. Why did you lie to me? You have proven yourself to be untrustworthy and I will not be buying from you ever again. >>



    Well, for every happy buyer like bstat1020 there always seems to be someone else left in the wake. Either that, or bstat1010 is Alain's son. image

    So if Tee135 "adopts" bstat1020 will that make everything good again?


    roadrunner >>



    For the record, I AM NOT ALAIN's SON!!!

    Pretty darn funny anyway!!image

    And I am not up for adoption unless my new mother will be Sofia Vergara. Oh, mama!
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe someone just needs to explain selling etiquette to Tee. Might it just be a matter of poor training? I'll start the list......

    TIPS FOR TEE:
    Hey Tee, you gotta treat people the way you would want to be treated.
    Good business means putting the customer, or potential customer, ahead of profit.
    Word of mouth is the most powerful form of advertising.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Perry Hall, you may just be the lucky one that got away. >>



    It was after he quoted me a price of $485 and I accepted his offer that I requested that he send me the 7 oz bar first before I sent payment so that I could examine it. We had already done several deals so there was a fairly high level of trust at that point. Then, several hours later (last night) he decided to keep the bar because his son allegedly decided to start collecting silver bars. I found out later from bstat1020 that Tee135 had already sold him the bar two weeks ago. Makes me wonder what would have happened if I had sent payment first.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TIP:
    Sell one item to only one buyer.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey

  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Note to self - re: Tee135 - BIG NO NO. DO NOT BUY OR SELL TO HIM. End of note.image
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  • This is bad! realy BAD!
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I found out later from bstat1020 that Tee135 had already sold him the bar two weeks ago. Makes me wonder what would have happened if I had sent payment first.

    You would have been the main subject of a much longer thread over on the Coin Forum about 1-2 weeks from today. image

    But by IMF accounting rules, both lessor and lessee of gold bullion can maintain it as inventory on their books. Possibly Tee135 was just adopting IMF accounting rules? image

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Perry, what's your favorite charity? image >>



    Compulsive Liars Anonymousimage

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  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    I don't think I've ever seen a thread talking about a good transaction where someone else had a unsatisfactory experience over the same item.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't think I've ever seen a thread talking about a good transaction where someone else had a unsatisfactory experience over the same item. >>


    Happens when you sell the same thing to two different buyers.

    "Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey



  • << <i>

    << <i>I don't think I've ever seen a thread talking about a good transaction where someone else had a unsatisfactory experience over the same item. >>


    Happens when you sell the same thing to two different buyers. >>



    Also happens when you don't have the product in your possession !!! I wounder how I know that ... Hummmm
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
    +1-1=-0
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  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    And I am not up for adoption unless my new mother will be Sofia Vergara. Oh, mama!

    OMG, why did you have to say her name??? I go thru this daily ritual of trying to get her of my mind so I can function at work. For being 38, she is ALL that...and then some.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't think I've ever seen a thread talking about a good transaction where someone else had a unsatisfactory experience over the same item. Happens when you sell the same thing to two different buyers. >>


    But only if you actually deliver it to one of those buyers....up to that point both potential buyers are quite happy. All it takes is a photograph and a good story. image

    Didn't know who this Sofia V. was so had to google. I had been perfectly content to think about Adriana Lima. Brazilian or Columbian, both seem to be worthy nationalities.

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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭


    << <i>And I am not up for adoption unless my new mother will be Sofia Vergara. Oh, mama!

    OMG, why did you have to say her name??? I go thru this daily ritual of trying to get her of my mind so I can function at work. For being 38, she is ALL that...and then some. >>





    HAHAHA!! I tried that for a while. Don't resist it Rich! I just sent you a great picture courtesy of gsa1fan!!
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks alot. I had to go ahead and google that name. Dang!
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  • Im new here, but I would NEVER do business with the seller mentioned in this thread. Neither buying or selling.
  • TrustNo1TrustNo1 Posts: 1,359
    This thread got confusing but I know I will never do biz with Sofia Vergara again
  • The deal for the 7oz Englehard bar went very well...the customer I believe was 100% satisfied, as per comments left by him... I now have a 2nd 7oz Englehard bar that has just recently was bought by myself...I true gem of a bar....guess I will not be able to sell it here on the BST...
  • Fishing for another buyer while 'awe shucking' like nothing has been done to really make one question you as a dealer, seems kind of pathetic.

    Your 'deal' for the 7 0z'er might have gone great with the buyer, but you failed to acknowledge or even respond to the forum member you blatantly lied to while selling the bar.

    Two members have posted your lies and even a new member like me can see doing business with you too costly and too risky.
  • TWQGTWQG Posts: 3,145 ✭✭


    << <i>The deal for the 7oz Englehard bar went very well...the customer I believe was 100% satisfied, as per comments left by him... I now have a 2nd 7oz Englehard bar that has just recently was bought by myself...I true gem of a bar....guess I will not be able to sell it here on the BST... >>



    Uh, NO. You're done here.
    We'll be watching for your alts.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 36,793 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The deal for the 7oz Englehard bar went very well...the customer I believe was 100% satisfied, as per comments left by him... I now have a 2nd 7oz Englehard bar that has just recently was bought by myself...I true gem of a bar....guess I will not be able to sell it here on the BST... >>


    Fishing for private messages with offers? Good Luck!

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  • piecesofmepiecesofme Posts: 6,669 ✭✭✭
    sunk to a new low (defintely not the part about Sofia).
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The deal for the 7oz Englehard bar went very well...the customer I believe was 100% satisfied, as per comments left by him... I now have a 2nd 7oz Englehard bar that has just recently was bought by myself...I true gem of a bar....guess I will not be able to sell it here on the BST... >>



    Total B.S. The bar that you promissed me first shot had the same serial number as the one that you later sold to bstat1020. This was the same bar that you just offered me for $465 after you had already sold it two weeks earlier to bstat1020. You made NO mention that it was a different bar. You backed out of our deal and told me that you decided to give it to your son after I asked you to send it to me for examination prior to payment. If you gave it to your son, how would it be available to sell on the BST? Let's see a pic of this new 7 oz gem bar on todays newspaper with the date visible. Until I see it, I won't believe you have another 7 oz bar. I'm through with you and your lies.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • bstat1020bstat1020 Posts: 2,151 ✭✭
    Great idea Perry.

    Alain - lets see the new bar you have with todays newspaper!! You are being called out.
  • Let me guess, they forgot to deliever your newspaper today, and you just can't seem to find where you misplaced that camera! image
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  • I bet he doesn't have todays newspaper, his son wants to start a newspaper collection.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You guys are just too funny!!!image

    Sort of funny in a tragic sort of way.

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will never do biz with Sofia Vergara again

    I wish I were in a position to be able to say that, except that I probably wouldn't say that either.
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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, I'm done as well with Sofia Viagara, or whatever her name is!

    If it were me, and I was in this Teed up predicament, I'd already have that "alleged" 2nd bar in the mail on it's way to PerryHall (on approval). But that's just me.

    roadrunner
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Great idea Perry.

    Alain - lets see the new bar you have with todays newspaper!! You are being called out. >>



    TTT Last chance, Tee.

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    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,118 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't hold your breath waiting.......
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't hold your breath waiting....... >>



    I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he's waiting for the Sunday newspaper.image

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The bar is in the mail. image

    roadrunner
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